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Southern timetables from 6 September 2021 (no Thameslink services)
Updated 4/9/21 -
For those residents who are not regular users of Riddlesdown Station -
On trains from East Grinstead, it is usually carriage 4 by the exit. Next stop is Sanderstead!
National Rail Key; RDD -
DUE TO CORONA VIRUS THE USUAL TIMETABLE SHOWN BELOW IN BLUE IS NOT FULLY OPERATIONAL
To London and/or Bedford from Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: All trains terminate at London Victoria, unless otherwise stated in brackets; 6.06, 06.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 06.35, 06.42(to LBG, STP, BDM), 07.06, 07.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 07.36, 07.45(to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.06, 08.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.36, 08.45(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.06, 09.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.36 and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until last train at 23.36.
Saturdays (To London Victoria only): 07.06, 07.36, and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until 23.36.
Sundays (To London Victoria only) 08.42, and then 12 and 42 mins past hour until 23.44.
To and from London Bridge and Bedford -
From London Victoria to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Times in brackets are the arrival times at Riddlesdown for departures on to Oxted & East Grinstead.
Weekdays: 05.20(05.49), 05.50(06.18), 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18), 07.20(07.48), 07.50(08.18), 08.20(08.48), 08.50(09.18), 09.20(09.48), and then 50(18) and 20(48) mins past the hour until 22.52(23.18), 23.22(23.48), 23.53(00.23 -
Saturdays: 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18) and then 20(48)and 50(18) mins past hour until 23.53(00.23 -
Sundays: 07.43(08.17), 08.51(09.17), 09.21(09.47), 09.51(10.17), and then 21(47) & 51(17) mins past hour until 22.51(23.17).
From Bedford (BDM) or Luton (LUT) via London St Pancras (STP) & London Bridge(LBG) to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays only: 15.49(LUT)(17.05); 16.06(BDM) at LBG 17.11(17.35); 16.32(BDM) at LBG 17.41(18.05); 17.21(LUT) at LBG 18.11(18.35); 17.28(BDM) at LBG 18.41(19.05); 17.56(BDM) at LBG 19.11(19.35).
From East Croydon to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: 05.41(49), 06.10(18), 06.40(48), 07.10(18), 07.40(48), then 10(18) and 40(48) mins past hour until 16.55(05), 17.10(18), 17.25(35), 17.40(48), 17.56(05), 18.10(18), 18.25(35), 18.40(48), 18.55(05), 19.10(18), 19.25(35), 19.40(48), then 10(18)mins and 40(48) mins past hour until 00.14(23 -
Saturdays: 06.40(06.48), 07.10(07.18) and then 40(48) and 10(18) mins past hour until 00.14(00.23) -
Sundays: 08.09(08.17), 09.09(17), 09.39(47), and then 09(17) and 39(47) mins past the hour until 23.09(17).
"Train services will change from Monday 6 September 2021
I am writing to update you that to support the return of schools and colleges, a new weekday timetable will be introduced to Southern, Thameslink and Great Northern services from Monday 6 September 2021. There is no change to weekend services. In addition to this wider change, a peak-
To support the main change from Monday 6 September, journey planners will be updated from the weekend of the 28 August, and as this will involve change to many routes across the network, we are asking our customers to plan their journeys at www.nationalrail.co.uk
As well as supporting schools and colleges, the new timetable is designed to balance the needs of customers across the network. While more trains will run across the network compared to today, some individual routes will see a reduction to make these changes possible.
This is to ensure services are as reliable as possible for customers under the current circumstances of the third wave. As a business, we also continue to recover from the disruption of the past eighteen months in terms of how it has impacted our people, and coronavirus will unfortunately continue to have a legacy into the medium term.
Like every company in the country, our staffing levels are being severely affected by the pandemic and while changes to test and trace have helped with regards to vaccinated staff, this challenge remains.
Taking train drivers as one example of key staff, at the height of the summer, nearly 1 in 5 were unavailable to drive with a mix of coronavirus related absence, delays to essential training given social distancing and many other reasons that someone is not available to work or cover overtime. It will unfortunately take time for this impact to be overcome.
The timetable will be reviewed in December 2021. This is in addition to small changes and refinements if needed and if possible before then.
Looking to next year and beyond, the success of the UK’s vaccination programme is resulting in a steady improvement to crew and other critical staff availability and a gradual return of customers to the railway. With weekday customer numbers 40-
This does mean that services will be different in the future. Over the past eighteen months, we prioritised services for key workers and schools. In the future, we will need to adapt to growing leisure demand and what is likely to be reduced commuting. It’s for this reason that a larger service will operate on Saturdays than on weekdays -
We also know that customers rightly demand a reliable train service. What the past showed is that running more and more trains on fundamentally the same infrastructure inevitably resulted in delays and disruption on a congested network; with a small delay to one train rapidly having a network-
As we have shown over the past eighteen months, we will continue to monitor demand and reliability and where possible, will make changes based on feedback. As always, we need your support to make these changes as effective as possible and look forward to working with you and other stakeholders to shape and improve services in the future.
A briefing is included below on the changes to services from the 6 September, and as always, should you have any questions, please get in touch.
Senior Stakeholder Manager, GTR
Briefing: 6 September 2021 timetable
From Monday 6 September 2021 train services will change across the Southern, Thameslink and Great Northern network on weekdays. The new timetable is designed to support the return of schools and colleges and to ensure services are as reliable as possible for customers.
As there was a reduction to five Thameslink and Southern routes from 26 July 2021, to help understand the changes on a route-
Changes to Thameslink and Great Northern services
Bedford to St Pancras International
There will be an overall increase in both all-
Two services per hour will run all day between Bedford and Gatwick Airport via Redhill from 6 September. In combination with Thameslink services between Bedford and Brighton, there will now be up to four services per hour between Bedford and St Pancras International.
Four services per hour will run between St Albans and Sutton from 6 September, resulting in more stopping services across the route.
Gatwick Airport to London Bridge via Redhill
There will be an additional two trains per hour on this route.
Two services per hour will run all day between Gatwick Airport and Bedford via Horley, Salfords, Earlswood, Redhill, Purley, East Croydon, Norwood Junction and London Bridge. These trains continue to Bedford as described in the section above.
Sutton to London Blackfriars (Sutton to St Albans)
There will be an additional two trains per hour on this route, to four trains per hour in total. Two trains per hour will travel via St Helier and Tooting, and two via Hackbridge to combine to four in the Streatham to London Blackfriars / Sutton section.
Orpington to Luton / London Blackfriars
Customers at stations on the Catford Loop should use the all-
* East Grinstead to London Bridge / Bedford
The one morning and evening peak Thameslink service will not run on this route from Monday 6 September. Southern services will continue to run. Customers travelling to/from London Bridge will need to change trains at East Croydon.
Cambridge to King’s Cross
Two stopping trains per hour will run between Cambridge and King’s Cross during school and busy times. During the middle of the day, one of these trains per hour will not run between Cambridge and Royston, meaning an hourly service at Foxton, Shepreth and Meldreth outside of busy times.
Peterborough to King’s Cross
In the morning, there will be two semi-
Changes to Southern services
Caterham and Tattenham Corner to London Bridge
Direct fast services to London Bridge will be reintroduced on this route on an every 30 minute basis.
Clapham Junction to Watford Junction and Milton Keynes
One train per hour will run between Clapham Junction and Milton Keynes throughout the day. After 18:30 services will run between Clapham Junction and Watford Junction only. At busy times, some services will be extended to / from Selhurst.
Beckenham Junction to London Bridge
Services will run between Beckenham Junction and London Bridge every 90 minutes throughout the day. Additional services will run at school times to provide improved connections in the Dulwich area.
Customers at stations such as West Norwood and seeking to travel to or from London Bridge should use the “via Norwood Junction” option in www.nationalrail.co.uk journey planners to show additional journey options.
London Bridge to London Victoria
Most current peak-
Brighton to Hastings
One train per hour will run throughout the day. Most trains will now run with eight, rather than four carriages.
Brighton to Hove
Fewer shuttle trains will run between Brighton and Hove, customers should use longer distance services from Brighton to and from Littlehampton, Portsmouth and Southampton.
Epsom to London Bridge via Carshalton Beeches
Fast services between Epsom and London Bridge will run every half-
Uckfield to London Bridge
The hourly service from Uckfield will run as half-
Uckfield to London Bridge: 10:30-
London Bridge to Uckfield: 09:07-
Sutton to London Victoria via West Croydon
Up to four trains per hour will run between Sutton and London Victoria via West Croydon at busy times, with two trains per hour at quieter times. There will however be a change at busy times, with fewer trains running where there is less demand, such as away from London Victoria in the morning rush hour, or towards London Victoria in the afternoon."
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Southern Railway, Tfl or National Rail.
The above times are shown in good faith. If anyone notices any errors will you please contact the RRA. The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Please check before travelling with the train operator and/or Network Rail.
When engineering works take place on the East Grinstead line (Riddlesdown) rail replacement buses will be run to Purley Station -
Replacement buses will run between Purley and Hurst Green calling at Upper Warlingham and Oxted. A shuttle bus service will operate between Woldingham and Upper Warlingham. No rail replacement buses will serve Sanderstead, or Riddlesdown. Change at Purley or East Croydon for trains to/from London.
Passengers at or for Sanderstead Station should use local bus route 403 between Beechwood Road / Mayfield Road bus stop and South Croydon, or West Croydon station, or use Purley Oaks as an alternative station, which is 0.3 miles away. But please note, Purley Oaks does not have step free access. Please contact Southern’s assisted travel team on 0800 138 1016 should you need step free access.
Passengers using Riddlesdown will have to get the 412 bus service from Mitchley Ave, (Lower Barn Rd stop) near to Buttermere Gardens (or from the Riddlesdown Collegiate stop near Ingleboro Drive) to Purley town centre (Tesco stop). Passengers will need to check the time of the buses from the Lower Barn Rd stop going westbound to Purley. Alternatively walking (or driving) to Purley Station is another option. Purley station is approximately a 20 minute walk from Riddlesdown station.
The 403 bus route can also be used from Limpsfield Rd (either the 'All Saints Church' stop by the roundabout, or the 'Sanderstead Recreation Ground' stop, or the 'Sanderstead Methodist Church' stop by Mitchley Hill) to South Croydon, or West Croydon stations. East Croydon Station can be walked to from the Park Lane/Wellesley Rd stops.
Southern rail tickets will be accepted on both the 412 and 403 buses.
Riddlesdown has been served with a replacement rail bus service for decades when engineering works have taken place but GTR starting using the 412 bus as an alternative rail replacement service since the beginning of this year. Although passengers are currently being told to make essential rail travel only, we believe more passengers will use the rail service in due course at weekends.
If any resident may need more assistance, Southern have an established accessibility policy to support those with access needs. Their assisted travel team would be happy to discuss any assistance which may be required to help in a journey during engineering works. Full contact details are available here:
National Rail Enquiries: Tel: 03457 48 49 50
Southern Customer Services: Tel: 03451 27 29 20 (07.00 -
Season ticket compensation scheme for Thameslink trains from Riddlesdown (Additional industry compensation); Posted 20/7/18
Delay Repay compensation -
From 23 March 2013, the privately owned and voluntarily run Bluebell Railway will be connected to the national rail system at East Grinstead, meaning that Riddlesdown residents can get on a train from Riddlesdown Station and travel from Riddlesdown to East Grinstead and then transfer onto the Bluebell Railway.
Further information and update reports: Link to Bluebell Railway
In 2018 the Government fined Govia Thameslink Railway (GTR) £15m following disruption to rail services and delivering an unacceptable service for passengers during that year. This money has been reinvested in a Passenger Benefit Fund to provide improvements for passengers at stations.
Thanks to the Passenger Benefit Fund, Riddlesdown Station got £80,000 going towards;
Seating and refurbishment for the waiting room
Perch seating for platform 1
New Shelter (inc CCTV)
For those residents who haven't been to Riddlesdown rail station lately, the photo below is the new all weather shelter that has now been constructed to the London bound platform -
Works are nearly complete, with just the finishing off of the CCTV to the shelter and some fence repairs. We hope residents find the new facilities beneficial. It has involved a fair bit of correspondence from the RRA to GTR (and site meetings), and our thanks go to GTR for undertaking this work.
Bus 412 (Arriva) -
The permanent changes happened in central Croydon to the 412 bus route on Saturday 2 November 2019, with the bus service no longer running between Katharine Street and West Croydon, (including the Whitgift Centre stops in Wellesley Rd) and vice versa.
As Michelle Wildish from TfL said at the RRA AGM in May, they are constantly reviewing all bus services in London. The way people travel around London is constantly changing and over the past five years usage of route 412 has dropped by 12 per cent. Unfortunately, it is the usual story -
Weekdays & Saturdays: Daytime; 20 mins, Evenings; 30 mins.
Frequency Sundays; 30 mins.
Since the re-
In summary the 412 Service is;
From Croydon, the 412 stands and starts in Katharine Street (by Queen’s Gardens -
From Purley, the service is nearly in reverse direction starting from Purley Downlands Precint, (Brighton Rd) then left into Godstone Rd, Down Court Rd and terminates at the bus stand in Katharine Street, Croydon (by Queen’s Gardens).
The 412 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link:
612 (School Bus Service ONLY)
The 612 only runs on school days (Mon to Fri) and is 2 services in the morning (Selsdon to Wallington) and 2 services in the afternoon (Wallington to Selsdon).
The 612 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link
403 Bus route
For those close enough in Riddlesdown to be able to get to the Limpsfield Rd, the 403 is an alternative route which starts at Sainsbury's in Warlingham (travels via Limpsfeld Rd, Sanderstead) and terminates at the West Croydon Bus Station, and then vice versa from West Croydon Bus Station to Warlingham.
The 403 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link:
Planning a Journey
To Plan a bus, train, tram, tube, bike or walking journey from Riddlesdown, follow this link to the Tfl website and insert “Riddlesdown” in the “From” box. Link
London Bus Route Maps Link
Arriva London Tel 020 8271 0101 (0800-
(Sources: Trains: GTR/Southern Railway/Thameslink; Buses: Transport for London (TfL).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Transport for London (TfL) travel on the trams, buses, Docklands light railway (DLR) and London overground rail line
Trying to find the cheapest fare on public transport in London can be a complex issue!
For travel and the best fare method to use on the TfL buses, tram, DLR and the London Overground rail line (the nearest rail station is West Croydon) then click on the link below.
Note all TfL buses in London are now cash free.
Train tickets and fares from Riddlesdown Station
Riddlesdown Station is in London Zone 6 and is served by Southern and Thameslink trains which both come under the GTR (Govia Thameslink Railway) franchise.
Upper Warlingham (although outside of the London Boroughs) is the last rail station in Zone 6 on our East Grinstead rail line.
For travel on Southern Rail trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase.
For travel on Thameslink trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase
National Rail also offer a ticket fare check/advance purchase for all rail franchises nationwide.
Since September 2014 you are able to use contactless cards on the tube, tram, DLR, London Overground and most National Rail services in London.
Further details on this TfL link
Generally contactless cards and Oyster are the cheapest fares in London and the fares are capped. More information on this TfL link
Unfortunately the ticket office at Riddlesdown Station – with the ticket clerk required to sell the best value ticket at each transaction is not open very often these days. Ticket buying can now be done at a ticket vending machine (TVM) – which also allows the collection of tickets bought on line. Riddlesdown has two TVM’s, one on each platform. When it is used to select tickets many options are available. However it maybe be best to purchase the ticket on line first and collect it from the TVM at Riddlesdown. You then have the option of seeing all the fares available structure. Buying a ticket for a child(ren) maybe best done this way.
This Pass is supplied by the London Councils (all the London Boroughs and City of London) to residents of London.
There are two types of Freedom Pass.
1. The Disabled Pass is available to anybody with a qualifying disability (see website for full list) who lives in a London Borough and is part of the National disability scheme.
2. The Older Persons Freedom Pass is available to residents of a London Borough who have reached the state pension age.
Validity London :
More information and how to apply;
60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme:
The former London Mayor, Boris Johnson, introduced a new 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard from 1 November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a London Freedom Pass. The pass will have the same validity as a Freedom Pass. Further details from the Tfl website or Tfl application page
It has has been advertised that the planned road closure, from Tuesday 26 May 2020, of the Godstone Rd (A22) near to the Tesco store by SES Water for water a new water main, has now been deferred. A current new date has not yet been advised
We understand Croydon Council will be pushing for the works to be carried out during the 6 week school summer holiday, after consultations have been undertaken with all agencies.
These works have to be done at some time and in our view this is just delaying the inevitable until next year, when traffic levels will probably be much higher than at present!
SES have more information on their website
Transport for London (TfL) consulted with residents and stakeholders in the summer of 2017 about proposals to changes to the double and single line red route on the A22 (Godstone Rd) from Foxley Hill Road to Old Barn Lane (at the Borough boundary to Whyteleafe).
Following careful consideration of the consultation responses received, TfL have decided to proceed with the scheme as proposed, with the some alterations. These works will commence ion 1 February 2021 and will run to June 2021. Their full report is on this link
Croydon Council no longer supply a list of road works in our area. So please refer to the One Network link for all of Croydon’s planned road works/closures (and further afield); OneNetwork
The temporary traffic lights on Mitchley Ave have now been removed and Lower Barn Rd and the downside of Buttermere Gardens have now been re-
We understand from the Council a permit request has been submitted for Phase II of the flood alleviation works to commence on 27 September 2021. These works are on Lower Barn Rd by the railway station. The slight delay in commencing the works has been due to the contractor needing to order additional materials. The works will be carried out under temporary 2-
The RRA are awaiting further details on this work.
Plans are afoot for E10 fuel to become the standard grade of petrol at fuel stations across the UK from September 2021.
E10 is a biofuel made up of 90% regular unleaded and 10% ethanol – hence the E10 name. Current petrol grades in the UK contain up to 5% bioethanol, known as E5.
There is more information on this link to the RAC with another link in the article to a Government website to check if your vehicle can run on E10 petrol. As many as 600,000 vehicles aren’t compatible with this type of fuel. It does not affect diesel vehicles.
The screenshot below is taken from the ‘Official Notices’ in the Sutton & Croydon Guardian on 12 August 2021.
The section of Westfield Ave between Court Hill and Rectory Park is to be closed on a number of Sunday afternoons (1.30pm to 4.30pm) once a month -
The organisers will be notifying residents in Westfield Ave.