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UPPER WARLINGHAM IS ALSO IN ZONE 6 AND IS THE LAST STATION ON THIS LINE, WITHIN THE LONDON ZONES.
For those residents who are not regular users of Riddlesdown Station -
On trains from East Grinstead, it is usually carriage 4 by the exit. Next stop is Sanderstead!
Times below are from 10 December 2017 until 19 May 2018. Residents are advised to check and confirm times with Southern Railway or National Rail.
To East Croydon (EC), & London Victoria, (London Bridge (LB)):
Weekdays: 06.15(LB), 06.42(LB), 07.02, 07.11(LB), 07.35, 07.46(LB), 08.04, 08.18(LB), 08.37, 08.46(LB), 09.06, 09.36 then 06 and 36 mins past hour (except the 17.37) until 23.06 (Plus LB train at 18.46, EC only trains at 19.16, 19.46 & 20.16).
Saturdays (To Victoria only): 07.06, 07.36, and then 36 and 06 mins past hour until 23.06.
Sundays (To Victoria only) 08.49, 09.41, and then 11 and 41 mins past hour until 20.41, 21.41, 22.41, 23.38.
To London Bridge -
From London Victoria to Riddlesdown:
Weekdays: 05.47, 06.24, 07.32, 08.53, 09.23, 09.54 and then 23 and 53 mins past hour until 22.23, 22.54 (Mon to Thurs) 22.53 (Fri only), 23.23, 23.47.
Saturdays: 06.23, 06.53 and then 23 and 53 mins past hour until 23.24 & 23.47.
Sundays: 07.47, 08.53, 09.23, 09.53, 10.23, 10.53 and then 23 & 53 mins past hour until 19.53, 20.53, 21.53, 22.36.
From London Bridge to Riddlesdown:
Weekdays: 07.03, 07.18, 07.50, 08.24, 17.13, 17.44, 18.17 & 18.47.
Saturdays & Sundays: No direct Services.
From East Croydon to Riddlesdown:
Weekdays: 06.06, 06.41, 07.17 (to Hurst Green), 07.34, 07.50, 08.09, 08.41, 09.11, 09.41, 10.11, then 41 and 10 mins past hour until 16.40, 17.10, 17.30, 17.42, 17.58, 18.11, 18.31, 18.43, 19.02, 19.11, 19.41, 20.10, 20.42, 21.10, then 41 mins and 10 mins past hour until 00.16.
Saturdays: 06.41, 07.10 then 41 & 10 mins past hour (except the 09.11) until 23.41 & 00.07.
Sundays: 08.10, 09.10, 09.40, & then 10 & 40 mins past hour (except the 11.11) until 21.11, 22.10, 22.57.
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Southern Railway, Tfl or National Rail.
The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
FOR FULL TIMETABLE FOLLOW THIS LINK
Southern Customer Services: Tel: 08451 272920
National Rail Enquiries: Tel: 08457 484950,
Some information below received from GTR (Southern Railway). As some residents maybe aware, from 20 May 2018 there are a number of major changes happening for us in Riddlesdown (East Grinstead line).
"From 20 May, entirely new timetables will be introduced at Great Northern, Thameslink, Southern & Gatwick Express. This means that many passengers who use these services to get to work, school, or anywhere else may be affected as their usual journey time or pattern is likely to change. It is part of the biggest train timetable change in decades and is necessary to help increase capacity and improve reliability on the busiest part of the UK rail network." Check your new timetable at www.railplan2020.com/timetables
In summary for Riddlesdown (as we understand it); some Thameslink trains will run on our line (East Grinstead -
There is some further information on this link about Southern Services (Main Southern coast lines) www.southernrailway.com/travel-
We will update further when we receive more information from GTR/Southern.
From 23 March 2013, the privately owned and voluntarily run Bluebell Railway will be connected to the national rail system at East Grinstead, meaning that Riddlesdown residents can get on a train from Riddlesdown Station and travel from Riddlesdown to East Grinstead and then transfer onto the Bluebell Railway.
Further information and update reports: Link to Bluebell Railway
Local Bus Route and Frequency
Bus 412 (Arriva)
The 412 starts/ends at West Croydon Bus Station and travels along Wellesley Rd, Katharine Str, High Str, South End, Selsdon Rd, Upper Selsdon Rd, Addington Rd (stop for Selsdon), Rectory Park, Mitchley Ave, Downs Court Rd, Godstone Rd, & ends/starts at Brighton Rd, Purley Hospital.
Frequency Weekdays & Saturdays: Early; 20 mins, Peak; 15 mins, Daytime; 15 mins, Evenings; 20 mins, Late Evenings; 30 mins. Frequency Sundays; 30 mins.
To Plan a bus, train, tram, tube, bike or walking journey from Riddlesdown, follow this link to the Tfl website and insert “Riddlesdown” in the “From” box. Link
London Bus Route Maps Link
Arriva London Tel 0845 300 7000 (0800-
The RRA have been made aware of the London Bus Users’ Online Community, an initiative set up last year by London TravelWatch that aims to give bus passengers a stronger voice. In view of the recent poor performance of our 412 bus service (or other routes), residents may want to voice their concerns?! If you want to find out more please follow this link.
(Sources: Trains: Southern Railway; Buses: Transport for London (TfL).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Changes to train fares and Oyster/Contactless from 4 January 2016.
Oyster and contactless can now be used at stations from Riddlesdown (change at East Croydon), Purley and East Croydon to Gatwick airport (including Horley, Salfords, Earlswood, Redhill and Merstham) as well as within virtually all stations in London. Further details on this Tfl link
However groups of three or more people travelling together may still find it cheaper to buy a paper ticket. Accompanied children under the age of 11 can now travel free on National Rail in the zones as they do on the buses and Underground. Unaccompanied children will still need to have an appropriate Oystercard or buy a paper ticket. Tfl link
Other children can also travel free and others at a discount with an Oyster Zip card. For information on how to apply for an Oyster Zip card for children Tfl link
Since 16 September 2014 you'll also be able to use contactless as well on Tube, Tram, DLR, London Overground and most National Rail services in London. Further details on this Tfl link
This Pass is supplied by the London Councils (all the London Boroughs and City of London) to residents of London.
There are two types of Freedom Pass.
1. The Disabled Pass is available to anybody with a qualifying disability (see website for full list) who lives in a London Borough and is part of the National disability scheme.
2. The Older Persons Freedom Pass is available to residents of a London Borough who have reached the state pension age.
Validity London :
More information and how to apply;
60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme:
The former London Mayor, Boris Johnson, introduced a new 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard from 1 November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a London Freedom Pass. The pass will have the same validity as a Freedom Pass. Further details from the Tfl website or Tfl application page
More information on all Oyster Adult Discounts and Concessions from Tfl website
Last updated 12/4/18 -
We have had further updates from Essex Utilities working on behalf of SGN about the postponed gas main renewal works to the above streets.
The latest update (31/3/18) we have from Rob Heller at Essex Utilities is:
"Grisedale Gardens and Grisedale Close are now due to start 18 June 2018. We we expect these two roads to take 4 weeks to complete. This will then bring us into the 1st week of the summer holiday at which time we will close Buttermere Gardens.
I am estimating that we will complete Buttermere Gardens in 5 weeks and then remove the closure and install a 1 way system into Derwent Drive."
So in summary;
From 18/6/18 -
From 23/7/18 -
From 2/9/18 -
SGN have advised these dates may change.
Croydon Council have informed us that the re-
Some further updates from Essex Utilities (on behalf of Southern Gas Networks SGN) about the postponed gas main renewal works that were due to start from October 2017 for Buttermere Gdns, Derwent Drive, Grisedale Gdns & Close. Some emergency temporary works were carried out to Buttermere Gardens in February 2018.
The RRA have today (28 March 2018) seen an e-
Essex Utilities have said: "During the works that was carried out in February we discovered that the gas main that runs up Buttermere Gardens plays a major role in feeding gas to Riddlesdown High School and the surrounding area.
Our initial method of lay will now have to be changed from dead insertion to open cut for us to install a sufficient size gas main to supply the school along with the surrounding community. Work has been delayed until the school summer holidays as a new programme of works needs to be carried out. Unfortunately working within a 1 way system during this work will be unworkable and a full road closure will be required, with at times during the working day access restricted but keeping this to a complete minimum and managed accordingly.
Access to drive ways may be restricted during these works and where possible road plates will be used to maintain access for vehicles these however are a subject to health and safety risk assessments done on site.
Discussions have been had within the last week with Croydon Council regarding the change of traffic management these and have been agreed and notification will be issued a lot closer to the planned start date which is now 23rd July 2018.
We would be more than happy to meet ..... to discuss this work in greater detail and how exactly it will effect residents."
The RRA have again contacted Croydon Council to ask to see the new traffic arrangements and we await the response.
In addition, during the summer there is more likelihood that residents may leave their cars on the highway whilst away during the summer holidays, so plenty of advance notice will have to be given to ensure residents make alternative arrangements about their vehicles!
We will keep you updated when further information is received.
We have been advised by Croydon Council of extensive gas main renewals works to the streets as listed below;
Warren Rd, Grasmere Rd, Downs Walk, Yew Tree Walk, Riddlesdown Rd, Purley Bury Ave, Purley Bury Close, Lexington Ct, Brancaster Lane, Purley Downs Rd and Riddlesdown Ave.
SGN will be commencing their gas mains replacement works in Warren Road from Tuesday 3 April 2018 and the works in the various streets will run until Christmas 2018. There will be temporary traffic lights. One way working and some street closures.
This is a copy of their programme, complete with durations and traffic management to be used. All residents for each road will receive a letter similar to this one from SGN advising them of the works in their street.
Note; Area 5 (Riddlesdown & Sanderstead) new 20 mph speed limit came into force from 12/3/18 -
Croydon Council’s Traffic Management Committee on 9 May 2017 agreed to implement 20 mph areas to all streets in Areas 3, 4 & 5 in Croydon except mainly Class A & B roads (where mot accidents and injuries/fatalities occur), despite many objections from the public (Riddlesdown is in Area 5). Officers recommended approval in their report to Councillors but the Labour Councillors agreed with the Officers. The Conservatives voted against the implementation of the scheme.
It was part of the report by Officers (Annexe 3) that some streets in our area might stay at 30 mph (i.e. Riddlesdown Rd, Mitchley Hill and Purley Downs Rd), and others could change from 20 to 30 mph. However it has been confirmed by the Council that the suggested changes put forward by Officers (from 20 to 30 mph and some 30 to 20 mph) to the TMA Committee were NOT approved. This means 30 mph (or 40 mph on some sections of the A23) will only apply to most Class A or Class B roads only. In the Riddlesdown area, this will be 30 mph only, on the A2022 (Downs Court Rd, Mitchley Ave and Rectory Park only. All other streets in our area will be 20 mph. The Committee papers are on this link. Scroll down to Item 7.
In total, 3,357 people objected, (with 103 in favour) and in a combined total, there were 18,862 objections with the various reasons why the scheme shouldn't be implemented for Areas 3,4 & 5. The “in favour vote” was low because the Council said it was a presumption in favour of the scheme, unless they received many objections. However, they would not say previously, how many they would accept as to the number of objections.
No mention was made in the report about the way the consultation process was undertaken, with residents unable to either support or object to the scheme; i.e a vote, which the seven southern RAs had raised, and also no mention was made of Councillor objections.
The Conservatives did have this TMAC decision "called in" as not being democratic on the consultation process, and requesting the Council act on what residents have said in their objections. This was put to the Scrutiny Committee on Wednesday 24 May 2017 but it was rejected by that Committee.
More information is on the Croydon Council’s website
The resurfacing works to lay a better anti skid surface were completed overnight, (28/29 November 2017) on the bend to Rectory Park/Mitchley Ave. This is following extensive pressure from the RRA to Croydon Council, to do something at this location due to all the accidents (at least eight) since November 2016.
Hopefully this may now reduce the number of accidents on this bend, especially in the wet. Please let the RRA know if further accidents occur at this location and we will take it up with Croydon Council again.
There is now also a speed visor (displaying speeds above 30 mph), on the down section of the hill to Rectory Park, before the bend.
Another accident on 15/9/17, at the bend on Rectory Park/Mitchley Ave. This is at least eight accidents now since last November (we recently learnt about another one on 20 May 2017). The RRA have advised the Council, and the sooner they lay an anti skid surface the better (which the RRA have been asking for, for many months now). It might not solve the problem but it may help. Thanks to Lynne Dennis for the photo.
The RRA have been made aware of yet another accident on the bend of Rectory Park/Mitchley Ave at 6am on Sunday 30 July. We are told that two cars coming down the hill were involved and possibly the second car went into the back of the first car. The Police did attend. Yet again the road was wet, with heavy rain overnight Sat/Sun! This is now the sixth accident since November 2016, on this bend and all in the wet!
We have again written to the Council and made them aware of this latest accident and asked them when further works are to be done to make this section of road safe. Our e-
We were advised on 17 May, following a written question from Ward Cllr Tim Pollard to Cabinet member Cllr Stuart King and Stuart King replied;
”I have asked our engineers to consider the introduction of anti-
We have also raised with the Council about the following items/repairs that are required:
We will advise when we get a full reply!
Yet again there has been another accident on the bend of Rectory Park/Mitchley Ave on Sunday evening (30/4/17), when the road was again wet (red car in photo)!
We are told this is now the 5th accident in this vicinity since November 2016. Three accidents have been in the wet, with motorists coming down the hill and losing control on the bend. Two accidents have occurred on Mitchley Ave going towards the hill in Rectory Park because of parked vehicles near the bend (silver car in photo is one accident). Accidents close to the bend also seem to be happening more regularly because of parked vehicles on Mitchley Ave.
The RRA have had a lot of e-
The RRA have written to the Council again after this latest accident, to highlight the serious issues here (there have been numerous accidents on this bend and closeby over the years) and we hope they will do more road safety works soon, before a motorist, passenger, or a pedestrian is killed. Cllr Tim Pollard (Sanderstead Ward Cllr) has also now raised a Council question (2/5/17) about the safety on this bend with Transport Cabinet Member, Cllr Stuart King and asking him to intervene.
The Council have also told us they have not managed to secure funding from Tfl to resurface both Mitchley Ave and Rectory Park this year. So we are going to have to put up with all the ruts and rough road surfaces on these two stretches of road!!!
Photos below courtesy of Veronica Roadnight.
Yet another road traffic collision occurred on 16 November at 6.30am, in Mitchley Ave on the bend with Rectory Park
It was raining again at the time and most incidents seem to occur here, when raining. Yet again a vehicle has come down the hill of Rectory Park and lost control on the exit and taken out the lamp column (for the second time in 3 months) by the woodland about 75 metres after the bend.
Photograph above courtesy of Helen Leonard
Following this latest accident, the RRA have had extensive correspondence with two Council Officers since (copying in local Councillors and Cllr Stuart King the Labour Cabinet member responsible for Transport and Environment and Riddlesdown Collegiate). Cllr King has responded that he will take this up with the Director of Streets at his next briefing with him.
The RRA made a number of suggestions to Officers, which included improving the road signage, laying an anti skid road surface just before, on the bend and just after, installing an Armco barrier to protect pedestrians and additional chevron boards. Repositioning the lamp column damaged twice now, and additional road markings were another request. We also pointed about a number of other road defects locally.
The Council Officers have rejected virtually all our suggestions! They did say they have made a number of additional safety measures at this bend over the years.
However, Officers have said they will look to install another “SLOW” road marking just before the bend, and installing white marked dragons teeth on the road, to highlight the danger ahead, look at the signage, and check on the condition of the road markings. Something, but overall not a good result and the RRA will keep pressing the Council on this. In the meantime, if any other further incidents occur here, please post it on our Facebook page and with photos if possible (or e-
Regarding the speed camera further along in Mitchley Ave (near the shops) we have been told this is to be replaced soon. Safety cameras are controlled and maintained by the London Safety Camera Partnership (LSCP), which is made up of Transport for London (TfL), the Metropolitan Police and Her Majesty’s Courts Service (HMCS). The LSCP have informed Officers that the safety (speed) camera was removed following damage caused by vandalism, as well as all the road speed sensors being removed when the section of road by the camera was re-
The RRA have managed to get Croydon Council to attend to some highway issues over the last few weeks and another one is in the pipeline!
Two new cycle stands have been installed by the shops in Lower Barn Rd, and two new concrete bollards adjacent, to try and stop vehicles driving over the grass verge. We did ask for some cycle stands at the Mitchley Ave shops as well but they have not appeared as yet!
Also at the bottom of Copthorne Rise, a dropped kerb has been installed on both sides of the street by the shops for pedestrian/disabled/buggies use. It also an offence to park in front of a dropped kerb (as well as on the double yellow lines), so the Council Enforcement Officers can issue a PCN for this offence as well. The Council are aware of the serious parking problems at this junction and along the front service road to the shops (and also parking on the grass verges).
The RRA also asked the Council last summer, if they would consider installing a zebra crossing and/or pelican crossing on Mitchley Ave near to the Riddlesdown Rd junction as this busy road, by this junction, is used extensively by Riddlesdown Collegiate schoolchildren using the bus stops and also by our residents.
The Council have responded that the close proximity of the bus stops and nearby driveways would not allow a zebra/pelican crossing to be installed but they have agreed to install a pedestrian island refuge, just east of the Riddlesdown Rd junction. The refuge island will be similar to the one by the Coombe Wood HiIl junction. It is not ideal but is better than nothing. We have asked the Council to ensure the new island refuge does not impede vehicles wishing to overtake stationary buses at the bus stops. This work will be undertaken by the Council this financial year.
Following a vehicle hitting and killing a deer in Mitchley Hill last October, the RRA again contacted Croydon Council about erecting deer signs on some streets in Riddlesdown (we last asked in 2014).
We are pleased to say the Council have now listened and three deer warning signs have been erected locally. The one in this photo, is in Mitchley Hill. The other two are in Rectory Park and the top of Downs Court Rd.
The Highways Agency have introduced these HADECS 3 speed cameras on the M25 since May 2014, within their "SMART" motorway system (where the hard shoulder is now used). The other type, more usual on motorways; HADECS 2 cameras are mounted on overhead gantries above each lane on the motorway.
The HADECS 3 cameras are on the side of the motorway and cover all 4 lanes (usually beside an overhead gantry). Principally they are to enforce the variable speed limits. However there are two in particular on the M25 about 2.5 miles after Clacket Services (anti clockwise) and like wise about 2.5 miles before Clacket on the clockwise section, which are flashing above the 70mph speed limit! Kent Police enforce these cameras on both sides of the motorway, east of Clacket Services.
There is another camera on the anticlockwise stretch about 2.5 miles before Clacket (and 2.5 miles after Clacket on the clockwise side) which is enforced by Surrey Police.
There are none of the white markings on the road to give any warning, as they are not required for this new type of camera. There are also reports of some motorists braking hard when seeing it flash for vehicles in front! They are also quite distracting at night when flashing on the opposite carriageway on this unlit section, as they flash across the motorway.
They are also now on other parts of the M25, M20, M1, M3, M4, M11 and M6.
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