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Probably best to consult the National Rail journey planner before setting out. But from the NR journey planner it is basically a Sunday service to and from Riddlesdown (RDD) on Mon to Sat.
Going towards London on Mon -
The following trains from RDD to VIC are then at 07.42, 8.12, 08.42 and then 12 and 42 mins past the hour until 23.44 hrs.
There will be no Thameslink trains, which serve RDD to and from London Bridge.
The Sunday service remains as is, i.e. the first train to VIC from RDD is at 08.42hrs.
Going towards East Grinstead (Mon to Sat) from RDD there are trains at 06.17, 06.49, 07.47 and then 17 and 47 past the hour until 23.17hrs.
From VIC the trains to RDD leave at 21 and 51 minutes past the hour until 22.51 hrs. There appear to be no additional evening rush trains.
The Sunday service from RDD starts at 08.17, 09.17, 09.48 and then 17 and 47 mins past the hour.
The GTR representative has advised "We are planning for potentially reduced staff availability, especially train crew and other safety-
If you get any feedback from essential users on how the timetable is working out for them do let us know. The timetable team doesn’t have a huge amount of scope to work with, but we’ll try and tweak and tailor services where we can."
There is no Gatwick Express running.
The rail line to and from East Grinstead (from Lingfield) has now re-
412 Bus Service
The 412 bus will run a Saturday service, Monday to Saturday and a Sunday service on Sundays.
Saturdays: Daytime; every 20 mins, Evenings; every 30 mins.
Sundays; every 30 mins.
Regarding the 612, which is a school service, we understand for the time being this service is no longer running the two services in the morning and afternoon, as very few pupils (of essential workers) are attending local schools.
The above times are shown in good faith. If you notice an error please let us know. The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Please check before travelling with the train operator and/or Network Rail or TfL.
Remember; Stay home; don't travel and stay safe.
For those residents who are not regular users of Riddlesdown Station -
On trains from East Grinstead, it is usually carriage 4 by the exit. Next stop is Sanderstead!
Please only refer to the Sunday Rail timetables below from Monday 30/3/20 until further notice
RIDDLESDOWN/LONDON/LUTON/BEDFORD TRAIN TIMES
Southern Rail and Thameslink trains to and from Riddlesdown with effect from Sunday 15 December 2019 until 16 May 2020
National Rail Key; RDD -
To London and/or Bedford from Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: All trains terminate at London Victoria, unless otherwise stated in brackets; 6.06, 06.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 06.35, 06.42(to LBG, STP, BDM), 07.06, 07.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 07.36, 07.45(to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.06, 08.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.36, 08.45(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.06, 09.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.36 and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until last train at 23.36.
Saturdays (To London Victoria only): 07.06, 07.36, and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until 23.36.
Sundays (To London Victoria only) 08.42, and then 12 and 42 mins past hour until 23.44.
To and from London Bridge and Bedford -
From London Victoria to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Times in brackets are the arrival times at Riddlesdown for departures on to Oxted & East Grinstead.
Weekdays: 05.20(05.49), 05.50(06.18), 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18), 07.20(07.48), 07.50(08.18), 08.20(08.48), 08.50(09.18), 09.20(09.48), and then 50(18) and 20(48) mins past the hour until 22.52(23.18), 23.22(23.48), 23.53(00.23 -
Saturdays: 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18) and then 20(48)and 50(18) mins past hour until 23.53(00.23 -
Sundays: 07.43(08.17), 08.51(09.17), 09.21(09.47), 09.51(10.17), and then 21(47) & 51(17) mins past hour until 22.51(23.17).
From Bedford (BDM) or Luton (LUT) via London St Pancras (STP) & London Bridge(LBG) to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays only: 15.49(LUT)(17.05); 16.06(BDM) at LBG 17.11(17.35); 16.32(BDM) at LBG 17.41(18.05); 17.21(LUT) at LBG 18.11(18.35); 17.28(BDM) at LBG 18.41(19.05); 17.56(BDM) at LBG 19.11(19.35).
From East Croydon to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: 05.41(49), 06.10(18), 06.40(48), 07.10(18), 07.40(48), then 10(18) and 40(48) mins past hour until 16.55(05), 17.10(18), 17.25(35), 17.40(48), 17.56(05), 18.10(18), 18.25(35), 18.40(48), 18.55(05), 19.10(18), 19.25(35), 19.40(48), then 10(18)mins and 40(48) mins past hour until 00.14(23 -
Saturdays: 06.40(06.48), 07.10(07.18) and then 40(48) and 10(18) mins past hour until 00.14(00.23) -
Sundays: 08.09(08.17), 09.09(17), 09.39(47), and then 09(17) and 39(47) mins past the hour until 23.09(17).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Southern Railway, Tfl or National Rail.
The above times are shown in good faith. If anyone notices any errors will you please contact the RRA. The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Please check before travelling with the train operator and/or Network Rail.
National Rail Enquiries: Tel: 03457 48 49 50
Southern Customer Services: Tel: 03451 27 29 20 (07.00 -
Season ticket compensation scheme for Thameslink trains from Riddlesdown (Additional industry compensation); Posted 20/7/18
Delay Repay compensation -
From 23 March 2013, the privately owned and voluntarily run Bluebell Railway will be connected to the national rail system at East Grinstead, meaning that Riddlesdown residents can get on a train from Riddlesdown Station and travel from Riddlesdown to East Grinstead and then transfer onto the Bluebell Railway.
Further information and update reports: Link to Bluebell Railway
Please only refer to the Saturday and Sunday
bus timetables below from 30/3/20 until 4/4/20
See ALSO THIS LINK
412 Bus Service -
The 412 bus will run a Saturday service from Monday 30 March until Saturday 4 April. Saturdays: Daytime; every 20 mins, Evenings; every 30 mins.
However, from Sunday 5 April the 412 will move to a Sunday service for all 7 days until further notice, at two buses per hour in each direction. Please bear with TfL though as changes in staff availability or other operational issues may affect this as well.
From Sunday 5th and Monday 6 April onwards please only refer to the Sunday timetable on this link
It has also been confirmed to us by TfL that the 612 school service is definitely not running until further notice.
A TfL Poster in pdf -
Local Bus Route and Frequency
Bus 412 (Arriva) -
The permanent changes happened in central Croydon to the 412 bus route on Saturday 2 November 2019, with the bus service no longer running between Katharine Street and West Croydon, (including the Whitgift Centre stops in Wellesley Rd) and vice versa.
As Michelle Wildish from TfL said at the RRA AGM in May, they are constantly reviewing all bus services in London. The way people travel around London is constantly changing and over the past five years usage of route 412 has dropped by 12 per cent. Unfortunately, it is the usual story -
Weekdays & Saturdays: Daytime; 20 mins, Evenings; 30 mins.
Frequency Sundays; 30 mins.
Since the re-
In summary the 412 Service is;
From Croydon, the 412 stands and starts in Katharine Street (by Queen’s Gardens -
From Purley, the service is nearly in reverse direction starting from Purley Downlands Precint, (Brighton Rd) then left into Godstone Rd, Down Court Rd and terminates at the bus stand in Katharine Street, Croydon (by Queen’s Gardens).
The 412 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link:
612 (School Bus Service ONLY)
The 612 only runs on school days (Mon to Fri) and is 2 services in the morning (Selsdon to Wallington) and 2 services in the afternoon (Wallington to Selsdon).
The 612 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link
403 Bus route
For those close enough in Riddlesdown to be able to get to the Limpsfield Rd, the 403 is an alternative route which starts at Sainsbury's in Warlingham (travels via Limpsfeld Rd, Sanderstead) and terminates at the West Croydon Bus Station, and then vice versa from West Croydon Bus Station to Warlingham.
The 403 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link:
In relation to the above about the 412, 612 and 403 bus services through and close to the Riddlesdown RA area, we are keen to hear from our own residents if they are having any issues with these three bus services.
The two RRA transport committee members do also sit on the East Surrey Transport Committee, along with other local RAs and the ESTC raise many transport issues with the appropriate authorities/franchises etc.
All the London bus services are also overseen by London Travelwatch. They deal with services operated or licensed by Transport for London (TfL). This does not include train services in our area (except the TfL London Overground and London Underground).
If any resident has had issues with either the 412, 612 and 403 bus services (and also praise for them) then we would be pleased to hear from you. We will only take up correspondence with residents who live in our own RRA area, so if you e-
Planning a Journey
To Plan a bus, train, tram, tube, bike or walking journey from Riddlesdown, follow this link to the Tfl website and insert “Riddlesdown” in the “From” box. Link
London Bus Route Maps Link
Arriva London Tel 020 8271 0101 (0800-
(Sources: Trains: GTR/Southern Railway/Thameslink; Buses: Transport for London (TfL).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Transport for London (TfL) travel on the trams, buses, Docklands light railway (DLR) and London overground rail line
Trying to find the cheapest fare on public transport in London can be a complex issue!
For travel and the best fare method to use on the TfL buses, tram, DLR and the London Overground rail line (the nearest rail station is West Croydon) then click on the link below.
Note all TfL buses in London are now cash free.
Train tickets and fares from Riddlesdown Station
Riddlesdown Station is in London Zone 6 and is served by Southern and Thameslink trains which both come under the GTR (Govia Thameslink Railway) franchise.
Upper Warlingham (although outside of the London Boroughs) is the last rail station in Zone 6 on our East Grinstead rail line.
For travel on Southern Rail trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase.
For travel on Thameslink trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase
National Rail also offer a ticket fare check/advance purchase for all rail franchises nationwide.
Since September 2014 you are able to use contactless cards on the tube, tram, DLR, London Overground and most National Rail services in London.
Further details on this TfL link
Genreally contactless cards and Oyster are the chaeapest fares in London and the fares are capped. More information on this TfL link
Unfortunately the ticket office at Riddlesdown Station – with the ticket clerk required to sell the best value ticket at each transaction is not open very often these days. Ticket buying can now be done at a ticket vending machine (TVM) – which also allows the collection of tickets bought on line. Riddlesdown has two TVM’s, one on each platform. When it is used to select tickets many options are available. However it maybe be best to purchase the ticket on line first and collect it from the TVM at Riddlesdown. You then have the option of seeing all the fares available structure. Buying a ticket for a child(ren) maybe best done this way.
This Pass is supplied by the London Councils (all the London Boroughs and City of London) to residents of London.
There are two types of Freedom Pass.
1. The Disabled Pass is available to anybody with a qualifying disability (see website for full list) who lives in a London Borough and is part of the National disability scheme.
2. The Older Persons Freedom Pass is available to residents of a London Borough who have reached the state pension age.
Validity London :
More information and how to apply;
60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme:
The former London Mayor, Boris Johnson, introduced a new 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard from 1 November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a London Freedom Pass. The pass will have the same validity as a Freedom Pass. Further details from the Tfl website or Tfl application page
Motorists Beware! After about 6 years, the damaged speed camera (30 mph) virtually opposite the shops in Mitchley Ave has now been replaced. It is not clear if it is operational as yet. (Note the white lines were marked and road sensors installed at night on 21/1/20)
The RRA were told by a resident that the previous camera was damaged by part of a mobile home on a low loader vehicle!
Transport for London (TfL) consulted with residents and stakeholders in the summer of 2017 about proposals to changes to the double and single line red route on the A22 (Godstone Rd) from Foxley Hill Road to Old Barn Lane (at the Borough boundary to Whyteleafe).
They also proposed other works which included changes to bus stop facilities: improved zebra crossings; and changes to road layouts at some side road and designated parking areas. The RRA did submit our comments at the time, regarding these proposals.
Following careful consideration of the consultation responses received, TfL have decided to proceed with the scheme as proposed, with the some alterations. These works will commence in early 2019 and will run to 2020. Their full report is on this link
The RRA understand there have been some design and land ownership issues since the above consultation and this is the reason for the delay. These works are due to commence at sometime in 2020. But TfL have advised recently that it is still not possible to confirm a start date as yet, as they need to take into account a number of factors, such as roadworks elsewhere, planned or unplanned via Surrey County Council, and the London Boroughs of Croydon and Sutton. As we are also in extraordinary times with coronavirus they also need to take into account staff availability. We will update more in due course.
The resurfacing works to lay a better anti skid surface were completed overnight, (28/29 November 2017) on the bend to Rectory Park/Mitchley Ave. This is following extensive pressure from the RRA to Croydon Council, to do something at this location due to all the accidents (at least eight) since November 2016.
Hopefully this may now reduce the number of accidents on this bend, especially in the wet. Please let the RRA know if further accidents occur at this location and we will take it up with Croydon Council again.
There is now also a speed visor (displaying speeds above 30 mph), on the down section of the hill to Rectory Park, before the bend.
to create a smart motorway -
weekend and night closures at times. Works due to be completed in March 2020;
Updated Information received from TfL 25/3/20
"As you know, the Government and the Mayor have given the country clear instructions to stay safe and to stop travelling in all cases other than critical workers making absolutely essential journeys.
As part of this approach, we are temporarily bringing all construction work at TfL and Crossrail to a Safe Stop, unless it needs to continue for operational safety or reliability reasons. This applies to all projects that entail physical works. Essential maintenance of the transport network will of course continue.
As a result of this measure, with immediate effect we will not now continue with work to resurface at Purley Cross (see information below). This means all traffic management and road diversions related to this scheme are being removed.
We are taking this step to ensure the safety of our construction and project teams, and also to further reduce the number of people travelling on the public transport network. As we work through these issues with our supply chain, consideration will be given to the impact on workers, particularly those who are on low incomes.
It is vital that the transport network is only used by critical workers, and this sits alongside other measures we have already taken to ensure this."
Our customer services team is available 24 hours a day, seven days a week on 0343 222 1234* or email email@example.com for customers and residents with any queries."
Warren Rd/Riddlesdown Ave and Grasmere Rd) -
Following concerns raised by Cllr Helen Redfern, Chris Philp MP and the RRA, Croydon Council have agreed that the road closure, for a sewer connection at 80 Riddlesdown Rd, will now take place during the Easter school holidays. This is the section of Riddlesdown Rd between Warren Rd/Riddlesdown Ave and Grasmere Rd.
The following e-
"Further to my previous email, Riddlesdown Road will now be closed, outside number 80, to facilitate a sewer connection from Saturday 4th until Thursday 9th April. The diversion for displaced traffic is via Warren Road and Grasmere Road."
The previous dates were from 30 March to 4 April.
"TfL service update -
I am writing to update you on some service changes we are making, following the announcement by Government to stop non-
From today, some London Underground (LU) stations that do not interchange with other lines are likely to close until further notice, depending on how many LU staff are able to come to work during the COVID-
From this Friday (20 March), there will be no Waterloo & City line, Night Tube or Night Overground services until further notice. The stopping of Night Tube and Night Overground services will enable more time for work to be done overnight and to give resilience to the day Tube service.
From Monday 23 March, we will gradually reduce other services across the TfL network to provide a service for critical workers to get to where they need to. This will enable us to keep the most used stations and services open and running. We are aiming to run Tube trains every four minutes in Zone 1, with the potential to further reduce this further.
Similarly, from next week until further notice, London Overground, TfL Rail, the DLR and London Trams will run fewer services.
In addition, from today, up to 40 London Underground (LU) stations that do not interchange with other lines will be closed until further notice. Anyone who needs to make essential journeys should check www.tfl.gov.uk for live travel updates before they travel. Further details about stations potentially impacted can be found here.
I want to reassure you we will continue to be your point of contact throughout this period. As I am sure you can understand, like everyone else, we are under increasing strain, so please bear with us as we work to answer your queries as fast as we can.
We would be also be grateful for your support sharing this information particularly on social media including Twitter where you can retweet information about the service changes. Please let me know if you would like some text for your own tweets.
Thank you again for your support during these challenging times.
On the bus network, from Monday 23 March until further notice, a service similar to a Saturday will run. TfL's extensive night bus network will continue, to provide critical workers with a reliable night option.
Following the decision to close many schools completely, we will review which school buses should still run and which should be amended at a later date.
Although these are the services we plan to run, if fewer staff are available further measures may be needed. We are working closely with the Government and other agencies and keeping all services under review.
We ask anyone needing to make essential journeys on public transport to check before they travel: www.tfl.gov.uk
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