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For those residents who are not regular users of Riddlesdown Station -
On trains from East Grinstead, it is usually carriage 4 by the exit. Next stop is Sanderstead!
National Rail Key; RDD -
Timetables from the Southern Railway website -
DUE TO REDUCED PASSENGER NUMBERS AFTER THE PANDEMIC, THE USUAL RAIL TIMETABLE SHOWN BELOW IS NOT FULLY OPERATIONAL.
The services shown in red and crossed out will not run until further notice. In addition at off peak times for weekdays only, Southern will only run an hourly service to and from RDD. These are direct trains only without any changes.
Southern Railway and Thameslink (TL) services to London and/or Bedford from Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: All trains terminate at London Victoria, unless otherwise stated in brackets; 6.06, 06.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 06.35, 06.42(to LBG, STP, BDM), 07.06, 07.14(TL to LBG STP, BDM), 07.36, 07.44(TL to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.06, 08.14(TL to LBG STP, BDM), 08.36, 08.45(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.06, 09.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.36, 10.06, 10.36, 11.06, 11.36, 12.06, 12.36, 13.06, 13.36, 14.06, 14.37, 15.06, 15.36, 16.06, 16.36, 17.06, 17.36, 18.06, 18.36, 19.06, 19.36, 20.06, 20.36, 21.06, 21.36, 22.06, 22.36, 23.06, 23.36.
Saturdays (To London Victoria only): 07.06, 07.36, and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until 23.36.
Sundays (To London Victoria only) 08.42, and then 12 and 42 mins past hour until 23.44.
To and from London Bridge and Bedford -
Southern Railway services from London Victoria to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Times in brackets are the arrival times at Riddlesdown for departures on to Oxted & East Grinstead.
Weekdays: 05.20(05.49), 05.50(06.18), 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18), 07.20(07.48), 07.50(08.18), 08.20(08.48), 08.50(09.18), 09.20(09.48), 09.50(10.18), 10.20, 10.50(11.18), 11.20, 11.50(12.18), 12.20, 12.50(13.18), 13.20, 13.50(14.18), 14.20(14.48), 14.50(15.18), 15.20(15.48), 15.50(16.18), 16.20(16.48), 16.50(17.18), 17.20(17.48), 17.50(18.18), 18.20(18.48), 18.50(19.18), 19.20(19.48), 19.50(20.18), 20.20, 20.50(21.18), 21.20, 21.50(22.18), 22.20(22.48), 22.50(23.18) 23.22(23.48), 23.53(00.24 -
Saturdays: 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18) and then 20(48) and 50(18) mins past hour until 23.53(00.23 -
Sundays: 07.43(08.17), 08.51(09.17), 09.21(09.47), 09.51(10.17), and then 21(47) & 51(17) mins past hour until 22.51(23.17).
Thameslink (TL) services from Bedford (BDM) or Luton (LUT) via London St Pancras (STP) & London Bridge(LBG) to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays only: 15.49(LUT)(17.05); 15.59 (BDM) at LBG 17.09(17.34); 16.29(BDM) at LBG 17.39(18.04); 16.59.00(BDM) at LBG 18.09(18.34); 17.28(BDM) at LBG 18.41(19.05); 17.56(BDM) at LBG 19.11(19.35).
Southern Railway and Thameslink (TL) services from East Croydon to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: 05.41(49), 06.10(18), 06.40(48), 07.10(18), 07.40(48), 08.10(18), 08.40(49), 09.10(18), 09.40, 10.10(18), 10.40, 11.10(18), 11.40, 12.10(18), 12.40, 13.10(18), 13.40, 14.10(18), 14.40(48), 15.10(18), 15.40(48), 16.10(18), 16.40(48), 17.10(18), 17.24(34-
Saturdays: 06.40(06.48), 07.10(07.18) and then 40(48) and 10(18) mins past hour until 00.13(22).
Sundays: 08.09(08.17), 09.09(17), 09.39(47), and then 09(17) and 39(47) mins past the hour until 23.09(17).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Southern Railway, TfL or National Rail.
The above times are shown in good faith. If anyone notices any errors will you please contact the RRA. The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
When there are weekend engineering works (please click/tap on the relevant date on the link) planned affecting Riddlesdown’s services, the dates will be shown below.
When engineering works take place on the East Grinstead line (Riddlesdown) rail replacement buses will run to/from Purley Station -
Replacement buses will run between Purley and Hurst Green calling at Upper Warlingham and Oxted. A shuttle bus service will operate between Woldingham and Upper Warlingham. No rail replacement buses will serve Sanderstead, or Riddlesdown. Change at Purley or East Croydon for trains to/from London.
Passengers using Riddlesdown Station will have to get the 412 bus service from Mitchley Ave, (Lower Barn Rd stop -
The 403 bus route can also be used from Limpsfield Rd (either the 'All Saints Church' stop by the roundabout, or the 'Sanderstead Recreation Ground' stop, or the 'Sanderstead Methodist Church' stop by Mitchley Hill) to South Croydon, or West Croydon stations. East Croydon Station can be walked to from the Park Lane/Wellesley Rd stops.
Passengers using Sanderstead Station should use the local bus route 403 between Beechwood Road/Mayfield Road bus stop and South Croydon, or West Croydon station, or use Purley Oaks as an alternative station, which is 0.3 miles away. But please note, Purley Oaks does not have step free access. Please contact Southern’s assisted travel team on 0800 138 1016 should you need step free access.
Southern rail tickets will be accepted on both the 412 and 403 buses.
Riddlesdown has been served with a replacement rail bus service for decades when engineering works have taken place but this ceased circa 2019 and then GTR starting using the 412/403 bus services as an alternative rail replacement service .
If any resident may need more assistance, Southern have an established accessibility policy to support those with access needs. Their assisted travel team would be happy to discuss any assistance which may be required to help in a journey during engineering works. Full contact details are available here:
National Rail Enquiries: Tel: 03457 48 49 50
Southern Customer Services: Tel: 03451 27 29 20 (07.00 -
Season ticket compensation scheme for Thameslink trains from Riddlesdown (Additional industry compensation); Posted 20/7/18
Delay Repay compensation -
As a reminder, between Friday 1 and Sunday 10 December there are periods of strike action, coupled with a nationwide ban on overtime by members of the ASLEF union. It also coincides with several engineering closures on parts of the GTR network across both weekends.
This means train services will be affected every day during this period. Services will run different timetables each day, and also on different parts of the network, with a much earlier finish to services on both Saturday 2 and Saturday 9 December. It is therefore very important that customers check every journey, every day at www.nationalrail.co.uk
As of today (29/11/2023) information is now available for journeys between Friday 1 to Friday 8 December.
Journey planners are expected to be updated on Friday 1 December for journeys on Saturday 9 December.
We would welcome your support in sharing this advice with customers using your own channels, especially to encourage and remind people that they need to check all dates between 1 and 10 December.
An update on Sunday 3 December
An important change to note since our previous update to you sent last week is that on Sunday 3 December we will be running the normal Sunday timetable on Southern and Gatwick Express, with amendments to allow various pieces of planned engineering work to take place. However, there remains a possibility of on the day cancellations and so customers should continue to check for any short notice alterations before travelling.
Thameslink and Great Northern services remain as per our previous message to you, with no service on any route that day because of the strike action taking place.
The table (see photo) provides an overview of the service on Great Northern, Thameslink, Southern and Gatwick Express each day.
The industrial action pages on our websites – such as this on the Thameslink website https://www.thameslinkrailway.com/.../industrial-
Please note that the ASLEF strike action itself is rolling across the period with different operators affected on different days. This is important to bear in mind if customers are making a journey that involves using other operators’ services.
We know that the disruption across the ten-
As always, should you have any questions or need any additional information, please let us know.
Project Consultation Manager"
From 23 March 2013, the privately owned and voluntarily run Bluebell Railway was connected to the national rail system at East Grinstead, meaning that Riddlesdown residents can get on a train from Riddlesdown Station and travel from Riddlesdown to East Grinstead and then transfer onto the Bluebell Railway. Further information and update reports: Link to Bluebell Railway
The main Bluebell Railway website
Following the public consultation during the summer of 2023, it has been announced on 31 October that the proposal is to be scrapped. More details on this BBC report
In addition, GTR have issued this e-
“Many of you will have seen the news following Transport Focus and London TravelWatch’s response to the ticket office consultation, published this morning and I wanted to ensure you have the correct information as I know there are some very strong views about the proposals.
Over the summer a local public consultation was run with Transport Focus and London TravelWatch on proposals about how tickets are sold on the railway and customer service.
Many of you took part in that consultation and we would like to thank you for making your feedback available to us and the passenger bodies to support their work and we know it has been immensely valuable.
Today, Transport Focus and London TravelWatch have updated us they are supportive of the principle of redeploying staff from ticket offices to improve the overall offer for customers.
However, they have also made clear that they are not able to approve these changes as there is feedback related to the railway as a whole which has not been completely addressed.
We always made clear that this was a genuine consultation and as a result, following the process of the Ticketing and Settlement Agreement, all proposals have been withdrawn and will not be introduced.
The consultation did, however, raise interesting ideas on related issues, such as expanding the types of products that can be sold at ticket machines. Where possible, with the wider industry we will look to introduce ideas such as this.
As always, should you have any questions, please let us know.
Head of Public Affairs and Partnerships
Govia Thameslink Railway (GTR)”
The 412 Bus Route
From Croydon, the 412 starts in Park Street, Croydon and then travels via Fell Rd, around the Fairfield roundabout, onto the flyover, then down the Croydon Flyover slip road into High Street, South End, Selsdon Rd, Upper Selsdon Rd, Addington Rd (stop for Selsdon), Rectory Park, Mitchley Ave, Downs Court Rd, Godstone Rd, Pampisford Rd & ends on Brighton Rd (High Street) opposite the Purley Hospital.
From Purley, the service is nearly in reverse direction starting from Purley Downlands Precint, (Brighton Rd) then left into Godstone Rd, Down Court Rd and Park Street.
The 412 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link (use the up/down arrows near the top to switch direction).
Weekdays & Saturdays: Daytime; 20 mins, Evenings; 30 mins.
Frequency Sundays; 30 mins.
612 (School Bus Service ONLY)
The 612 only runs on school days (Mon to Fri) and is 2 services in the morning (Selsdon to Wallington) and 2 services in the afternoon (Wallington to Selsdon).
The 612 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link
403 Bus route
For those close enough in Riddlesdown to be able to get to the Limpsfield Rd, the 403 is an alternative route which starts at Sainsbury's in Warlingham (travels via Limpsfeld Rd, Sanderstead) and terminates at the West Croydon Bus Station, and then vice versa from West Croydon Bus Station to Warlingham.
The 403 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link (use the up/down arrows near the top to switch direction).
359 Bus route
From Purley -
The 359 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link (use the up/down arrows near the top to switch direction).
To Plan a bus, train, tram, tube, bike or walking journey from Riddlesdown, follow this link to the Tfl website and insert “Riddlesdown” in the “From” box. Link
London Bus Route Maps Link
Arriva London Tel 020 8271 0101 (0800-
(Sources: Trains: GTR/Southern Railway/Thameslink; Buses: Transport for London (TfL).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Transport for London (TfL) travel on the trams, buses, Docklands light railway (DLR) and London overground rail line
Trying to find the cheapest fare on public transport in London can be a complex issue!
For travel and the best fare method to use on the TfL buses, tram, DLR and the London Overground rail line (the nearest rail station is West Croydon) then click on the link below.
Note all TfL buses in London are now cash free.
Riddlesdown Station is in London Zone 6 and is served by Southern and Thameslink trains which both come under the GTR (Govia Thameslink Railway) franchise.
Upper Warlingham (although outside of the London Boroughs) is the last rail station in Zone 6 on our East Grinstead rail line.
For travel on Southern Rail trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase.
For travel on Thameslink trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase
National Rail also offer a ticket fare check/advance purchase for all rail franchises nationwide.
Since September 2014 you are able to use contactless cards on the tube, tram, DLR, London Overground and most National Rail services in London.
Further details on this TfL link
Generally contactless cards and Oyster are the cheapest fares in London and the fares are capped. More information on this TfL link
The ticket office at Riddlesdown Station – with the station manager required to sell the best value ticket at each transaction is part time and mainly open weekday and Saturday mornings only. Click on the link above for ticket information and methods of payment. Riddlesdown has two Ticket Machines, one on each platform and a card reader on both platforms.
This Pass is supplied by the London Councils (all the London Boroughs and City of London) to residents of London.
There are two types of Freedom Pass.
1. The Disabled Pass is available to anybody with a qualifying disability (see website for full list) who lives in a London Borough and is part of the National disability scheme.
2. The Older Persons Freedom Pass is available to residents of a London Borough who have reached the state pension age.
Validity London :
More information and how to apply;
60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme:
The 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard commenced on 1 November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a London Freedom Pass. The pass will have the same validity as a Freedom Pass. Further details from the Tfl website or Tfl application page
Croydon Council no longer supply a list of road works in our area. So please refer to the One Network link for all of Croydon’s planned road works/closures (and further afield); OneNetwork
The Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan announced on 25 November 2022 that TfL will be expanding the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) to cover all the London Boroughs from 00.30hrs on 29 August 2023.
The drivers of all vehicles not compliant (both petrol and diesel) in emissions will have to pay at daily charge of £12.50 if a vehicle is driven on London’s streets. This includes a payment by residents, and all visitors coming into the London Boroughs. The fine (Penalty Charge) is £180 but if paid within 14 days it is reduced to £90.
Interestingly, there is an area of part of Sanderstead bounded by the Limpsfield Rd, Addington Rd and Old Farleigh Rd that are not included in the ULEZ map. Also some parts of Coulsdon are excluded. The Godstone Rd (A22) from the Borough boundary at Whyteleafe, up to and around the Purley Cross (Brighton Rd ) is also excluded.
Historic vehicles more than 40 years old are exempt.
Any visitor living outside London and who have to visit the Royal Marsden Cancer Hospital in Sutton will need to have a compliant vehicle, or pay the daily charge. Downs Rd for the main entrance and one of the car parks to the Royal Marsden Hospital is just within the new boundary, as is Cotswold Rd for the car park and entrance to the new Oak Centre. Both roads now have cameras on them.
Heathrow Airport is also within the ULEZ zone -
More details, to check your vehicle/motor cycle registration number and the map are on this TfL link
TfL Website for Fee Payments; If you are a motorist who has to pay the new ULEZ fee, make sure you only use the official TfL website and not the scam websites that are appearing on internet search engines! You will get a fine issued if not paid through TfL.
More info about this on the BBC website
Works have been ongoing over the last 9 months or so, and the Council are now bringing in new mandatory cycle lanes, junction layout changes (Riddlesdown Rd & Sanderstead Rd), parking restrictions etc on the Brighton Rd from Bartlett Street, S. Croydon, through to Purley town centre.
The RRA have been in correspondence with the Council's Highways Officers since 5 Sept 2022 to establish some points with the scheme and raise some concerns. In that time whilst our correspondence has been acknowledged, we have not received a substantive response from officers, so we have now escalated this to the Chief Executive.
Some residents may have noticed that from 23 March, bollards are now being fixed to protect the cycle lanes and we know from previous comments on our Facebook page that this is not popular with cyclists. However, a few days later the Council removed some of the bollards in various locations but kept the rubber bases in place!
Apparently our bankrupt Council are being partly funded from TfL with this cycle corridor scheme -
The experimental scheme is now 'live' commencing on 3 April 2023 and residents then have 6 months to raise comments/concerns (or praise) for this scheme with the Council. It will run until 3 October 2023 -
More details are on this link to the Council's web page (note; the photo they have used on the link is out of date, because the yellow box hatching in front of Capella Ct has now been removed!). Click again on the link in the article to go to the Council’s web page and drawings etc.