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Update 11/4/22 from GTR
"Update on Southern, Great Northern and Thameslink services -
I am writing to update you on the Summer timetable change on Sunday 15 May 2022. Southern, Thameslink and Great Northern will be running more weekday trains in its summer timetable, targeted mostly on commuters returning to the workplace.
Over the past two years we have made over a dozen timetable changes -
We are now looking towards the future, establishing a new base timetable to take us into a more stable period of fewer timetable changes that better meets the current demand for services and the resources we have available. The timetable we are introducing in May will develop in the years ahead as demand and travel patterns continue to evolve alongside customer needs.
Our customer numbers have now stabilised at approximately 65 to 70 per cent of pre-
Trends suggest that people will continue to work from home more regularly in the future. The railway therefore needs to adapt to lower passenger numbers and the impact of reduced commuting on the industry’s finances, while at the same time, encouraging passengers to return when they are ready.
This is a difficult balance to strike. As with all of our timetables, we are prioritising our available resources to support as many customers as we possibly can – safeguarding key services such as those for schools and rural communities with limited public transport alternatives, meeting demand for commuting and leisure, and then supporting the largest off-
As a result, the May timetable increases weekday services across the network where there is significant passenger demand, with many routes increasing in frequency. It will also see the introduction of cross-
The timetable also makes other important changes to reflect the change in travel demand. The Class 455 train on the Southern Metro are over 40 years old and will be replaced with the younger Class 377 electrostar fleet. Currently undergoing a £55m upgrade, the more modern trains will provide passengers with a more comfortable onboard experience including accessible toilets, air conditioning, improved lighting and the more popular 2X2 seating layout.
Regrettably, as fewer people are regularly commuting we have had to make some difficult choices.
As a result, we have made changes to our Saturday services to two short distance routes in the inner-
We will keep a watching brief and continue to work with stakeholders and partners to monitor, evaluate and adjust the future timetables according to demand levels.
While the effects of the pandemic remain with us, this timetable is a starting point to begin rebuilding the railway following the disruption of the past two years. The new timetable from Sunday 15 May 2022 is part of this change. As customers return to rail in the years ahead and the time is right, we want to see more services added in, so we can build a thriving railway, meeting the needs of our customers.
A briefing on the main changes is available below and customers can plan their journeys at www.nationalrail.co.uk
Senior Stakeholder Manager, GTR"
"Briefing: Timetable changes from 15 May 2022
From Sunday 15 May, a new timetable will be introduced across Southern, Thameslink and Great Northern railway services.
For Thameslink and Great Northern services, this is a weekday only change; there is no change to weekend services.
On Southern there are changes to both weekdays and Saturday services.
The most notable changes to services are shown in the summary below. However, the times of trains and station calling patterns will change slightly across the entire network, it is therefore important that customers check their journeys before travelling at www.nationalrail.co.uk
The changes from Sunday 15 May 2022 will do four things:
1. Increase weekday frequencies where there is significant unmet demand.
2, Use our trains as efficiently and as intensively as we can.
3. Reduce overlap where an alternative service exists.
4. While the Saturday service will remain larger overall to reflect the leisure market, some shorter distance routes will be reduced.
Great Northern -
Welwyn Garden City / Stevenage to Moorgate
Five trains per hour will run on each branch at busy times, combining to provide up to ten trains per hour between Moorgate and Alexandra Palace.
At quieter times, two trains will run on each branch per hour as today.
London King’s Cross to Cambridge – stopping service via Potters Bar
The stopping service between London King’s Cross and Cambridge will increase to provide two trains per hour across the entire route.
This means that services at Meldreth, Foxton and Shepreth will increase from one to two departures per hour, as well as providing additional services between Royston and Cambridge.
Welwyn Garden City to St Pancras International and central London – peak only
Two additional peak services per hour will run between Welwyn Garden City and Sevenoaks, providing additional services at Hatfield, Potters Bar, New Barnet, Oakleigh Park, New Southgate, Finsbury Park and additional cross-
This change is introduced by extending existing Sevenoaks to London Blackfriars services through to Welwyn Garden City during peak hours.
Sevenoaks to London Blackfriars
As detailed above, during peak hours, the existing Sevenoaks to London Blackfriars service will be connected to Welwyn Garden City. This will provide more direct cross-
Orpington to Luton – peak only
Peak only services between Orpington and Luton via Catford will be reintroduced, providing two services per hour.
Sutton to St Albans
Four trains per hour will run between Sutton and St Albans via central London.
Luton to Rainham
Two trains per hour will run between Luton and Rainham.
East Grinstead to Bedford
One peak service AM and PM in each direction will run between East Grinstead, central London and stations towards Bedford.
05:55 St Pancras International to East Grinstead
07:15 East Grinstead to Bedford (07.45 at RDD)
17:17 Leagrave to East Grinstead (18:10 London Bridge -
19:17 East Grinstead to West Hampstead Thameslink
Littlehampton to Bedford
One peak service AM will depart Littlehampton at 05:52 calling at London Bridge at 07:34 before continuing to Bedford.
A return service will depart Bedford at 15:43, calling at London Bridge at 16:54 and arriving at Littlehampton at 18:37.
Bedford to Three Bridges
Additional peak services will run between Bedford and Three Bridges, departing Bedford at 05:43, 06:45 and 07:15 in the AM and departing Gatwick Airport at 16:57 (17:56 St Pancras International) and 17:24 (18:10 St Pancras International).
Between Bedford and St Pancras International in the AM these services will provide additional services at Flitwick, Luton, Harpenden and St Albans. In the PM these services will also call at Luton Airport Parkway, Leagrave and Harlington.
Southern / Gatwick Express -
Brighton to Hastings
Additional services will run to provide a 30-
Brighton to Portsmouth and Southampton
Direct services will run between Brighton and Portsmouth and Brighton and Southampton.
Beckenham Junction / Crystal Palace to London Bridge via Tulse Hill
Services will run every 30 minutes during busy times, with an hourly service off-
Watford Junction to Clapham Junction
An hourly service will run between Watford Junction and Clapham Junction. Customers for stations between Watford Junction and Milton Keynes Central should change at Watford Junction.
One AM service will start from Hemel Hempstead at 07:31.
Southern – Saturdays
Watford Junction to East Croydon
An hourly service will run between Watford Junction and East Croydon. Customers for stations between Watford Junction and Milton Keynes Central should change at Watford Junction.
London Victoria to London Bridge
Direct services between London Bridge and London Victoria will not run.
Sutton to London Victoria via West Croydon and Norbury
Services will reduce from four to two trains per hour in each direction. Longer trains will run on this route.
West Worthing to Brighton
West Worthing to Brighton services will not run. Customers should use longer distance Brighton to Portsmouth / Southampton services, or Littlehampton to London Victoria services changing at Hove.
Lewes to Brighton
Lewes to Brighton services will not run. Customers should use Hastings to Brighton or Seaford to Brighton services."
For those residents who are not regular users of Riddlesdown Station -
On trains from East Grinstead, it is usually carriage 4 by the exit. Next stop is Sanderstead!
National Rail Key; RDD -
DUE TO COVID THE USUAL TIMETABLE SHOWN BELOW IN BLUE IS NOT FULLY OPERATIONAL
To London and/or Bedford from Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: All trains terminate at London Victoria, unless otherwise stated in brackets; 6.06, 06.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 06.35, 06.42(to LBG, STP, BDM), 07.06, 07.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 07.36, 07.45(to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.06, 08.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.36, 08.45(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.06, 09.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.36 and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until last train at 23.36.
Saturdays (To London Victoria only): 07.06, 07.36, and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until 23.36.
Sundays (To London Victoria only) 08.42, and then 12 and 42 mins past hour until 23.44.
To and from London Bridge and Bedford -
From London Victoria to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Times in brackets are the arrival times at Riddlesdown for departures on to Oxted & East Grinstead.
Weekdays: 05.20(05.49), 05.50(06.18), 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18), 07.20(07.48), 07.50(08.18), 08.20(08.48), 08.50(09.18), 09.20(09.48), and then 50(18) and 20(48) mins past the hour until 22.52(23.18), 23.22(23.48), 23.53(00.23 -
Saturdays: 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18) and then 20(48)and 50(18) mins past hour until 23.53(00.23 -
Sundays: 07.43(08.17), 08.51(09.17), 09.21(09.47), 09.51(10.17), and then 21(47) & 51(17) mins past hour until 22.51(23.17).
From Bedford (BDM) or Luton (LUT) via London St Pancras (STP) & London Bridge(LBG) to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays only: 15.49(LUT)(17.05); 16.06(BDM) at LBG 17.11(17.35); 16.32(BDM) at LBG 17.41(18.05); 17.21(LUT) at LBG 18.11(18.35); 17.28(BDM) at LBG 18.41(19.05); 17.56(BDM) at LBG 19.11(19.35).
From East Croydon to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: 05.41(49), 06.10(18), 06.40(48), 07.10(18), 07.40(48), then 10(18) and 40(48) mins past hour until 16.55(05), 17.10(18), 17.25(35), 17.40(48), 17.56(05), 18.10(18), 18.25(35), 18.40(48), 18.55(05), 19.10(18), 19.25(35), 19.40(48), then 10(18)mins and 40(48) mins past hour until 00.14(23 -
Saturdays: 06.40(06.48), 07.10(07.18) and then 40(48) and 10(18) mins past hour until 00.14(00.23) -
Sundays: 08.09(08.17), 09.09(17), 09.39(47), and then 09(17) and 39(47) mins past the hour until 23.09(17).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Southern Railway, Tfl or National Rail.
The above times are shown in good faith. If anyone notices any errors will you please contact the RRA. The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Please check before travelling with the train operator and/or Network Rail.
There will be rail engineering works (please click on the relevant date on this link) affecting Riddlesdown’s services on the following dates;
Saturday 21 May through to Sunday 22 May -
When engineering works take place on the East Grinstead line (Riddlesdown) rail replacement buses will run to/from Purley Station -
Replacement buses will run between Purley and Hurst Green calling at Upper Warlingham and Oxted. A shuttle bus service will operate between Woldingham and Upper Warlingham. No rail replacement buses will serve Sanderstead, or Riddlesdown. Change at Purley or East Croydon for trains to/from London.
Passengers using Riddlesdown Station will have to get the 412 bus service from Mitchley Ave, (Lower Barn Rd stop -
The 403 bus route can also be used from Limpsfield Rd (either the 'All Saints Church' stop by the roundabout, or the 'Sanderstead Recreation Ground' stop, or the 'Sanderstead Methodist Church' stop by Mitchley Hill) to South Croydon, or West Croydon stations. East Croydon Station can be walked to from the Park Lane/Wellesley Rd stops.
Passengers using Sanderstead Station should use the local bus route 403 between Beechwood Road/Mayfield Road bus stop and South Croydon, or West Croydon station, or use Purley Oaks as an alternative station, which is 0.3 miles away. But please note, Purley Oaks does not have step free access. Please contact Southern’s assisted travel team on 0800 138 1016 should you need step free access.
Southern rail tickets will be accepted on both the 412 and 403 buses.
Riddlesdown has been served with a replacement rail bus service for decades when engineering works have taken place but this ceased circa 2019 and then GTR starting using the 412/403 bus services as an alternative rail replacement service .
If any resident may need more assistance, Southern have an established accessibility policy to support those with access needs. Their assisted travel team would be happy to discuss any assistance which may be required to help in a journey during engineering works. Full contact details are available here:
National Rail Enquiries: Tel: 03457 48 49 50
Southern Customer Services: Tel: 03451 27 29 20 (07.00 -
Season ticket compensation scheme for Thameslink trains from Riddlesdown (Additional industry compensation); Posted 20/7/18
Delay Repay compensation -
From 23 March 2013, the privately owned and voluntarily run Bluebell Railway will be connected to the national rail system at East Grinstead, meaning that Riddlesdown residents can get on a train from Riddlesdown Station and travel from Riddlesdown to East Grinstead and then transfer onto the Bluebell Railway.
Further information and update reports: Link to Bluebell Railway
Bus 412 (Arriva) -
The permanent changes happened in central Croydon to the 412 bus route on Saturday 2 November 2019, with the bus service no longer running between Katharine Street and West Croydon, (including the Whitgift Centre stops in Wellesley Rd) and vice versa.
As Michelle Wildish from TfL said at the RRA AGM in May, they are constantly reviewing all bus services in London. The way people travel around London is constantly changing and over the past five years usage of route 412 has dropped by 12 per cent. Unfortunately, it is the usual story -
Weekdays & Saturdays: Daytime; 20 mins, Evenings; 30 mins.
Frequency Sundays; 30 mins.
Since the re-
In summary the 412 Service is;
From Croydon, the 412 stands and starts in Katharine Street (by Queen’s Gardens -
From Purley, the service is nearly in reverse direction starting from Purley Downlands Precint, (Brighton Rd) then left into Godstone Rd, Down Court Rd and terminates at the bus stand in Katharine Street, Croydon (by Queen’s Gardens).
The 412 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link:
612 (School Bus Service ONLY)
The 612 only runs on school days (Mon to Fri) and is 2 services in the morning (Selsdon to Wallington) and 2 services in the afternoon (Wallington to Selsdon).
The 612 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link
403 Bus route
For those close enough in Riddlesdown to be able to get to the Limpsfield Rd, the 403 is an alternative route which starts at Sainsbury's in Warlingham (travels via Limpsfeld Rd, Sanderstead) and terminates at the West Croydon Bus Station, and then vice versa from West Croydon Bus Station to Warlingham.
The 403 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link:
To Plan a bus, train, tram, tube, bike or walking journey from Riddlesdown, follow this link to the Tfl website and insert “Riddlesdown” in the “From” box. Link
London Bus Route Maps Link
Arriva London Tel 020 8271 0101 (0800-
(Sources: Trains: GTR/Southern Railway/Thameslink; Buses: Transport for London (TfL).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Transport for London (TfL) travel on the trams, buses, Docklands light railway (DLR) and London overground rail line
Trying to find the cheapest fare on public transport in London can be a complex issue!
For travel and the best fare method to use on the TfL buses, tram, DLR and the London Overground rail line (the nearest rail station is West Croydon) then click on the link below.
Note all TfL buses in London are now cash free.
Riddlesdown Station is in London Zone 6 and is served by Southern and Thameslink trains which both come under the GTR (Govia Thameslink Railway) franchise.
Upper Warlingham (although outside of the London Boroughs) is the last rail station in Zone 6 on our East Grinstead rail line.
For travel on Southern Rail trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase.
For travel on Thameslink trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase
National Rail also offer a ticket fare check/advance purchase for all rail franchises nationwide.
Since September 2014 you are able to use contactless cards on the tube, tram, DLR, London Overground and most National Rail services in London.
Further details on this TfL link
Generally contactless cards and Oyster are the cheapest fares in London and the fares are capped. More information on this TfL link
The ticket office at Riddlesdown Station – with the station manager required to sell the best value ticket at each transaction is part time and mainly open weekday and Saturday mornings only. Click on the link above for ticket information and methods of payment. Riddlesdown has two Ticket Machines, one on each platform and a card reader on both platforms.
This Pass is supplied by the London Councils (all the London Boroughs and City of London) to residents of London.
There are two types of Freedom Pass.
1. The Disabled Pass is available to anybody with a qualifying disability (see website for full list) who lives in a London Borough and is part of the National disability scheme.
2. The Older Persons Freedom Pass is available to residents of a London Borough who have reached the state pension age.
Validity London :
More information and how to apply;
60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme:
The former London Mayor, Boris Johnson, introduced a new 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard from 1 November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a London Freedom Pass. The pass will have the same validity as a Freedom Pass. Further details from the Tfl website or Tfl application page
It has has been advertised that the planned road closure, from Tuesday 26 May 2020, of the Godstone Rd (A22) near to the Tesco store by SES Water for water a new water main, has now been deferred. A current new date has not yet been advised
We understand Croydon Council will be pushing for the works to be carried out during the 6 week school summer holiday, after consultations have been undertaken with all agencies.
These works have to be done at some time and in our view this is just delaying the inevitable until next year, when traffic levels will probably be much higher than at present!
SES have more information on their website
Croydon Council no longer supply a list of road works in our area. So please refer to the One Network link for all of Croydon’s planned road works/closures (and further afield); OneNetwork
The RRA have been advised by Croydon Council and the contractor acting on behalf of SGN (Forefront Utilities), that gas main replacement works will be undertaken to Ingleboro Drive, Dalegarth Gdns, Eskdale Gdns, Honister Heights and the top half of Dunmail Drive (o/s the Collegiate).
The Council have stipulated that the works must be undertaken during the school summer holidays, in view of the location of Riddlesdown Collegiate. We are told this will be during the school summer holidays of 2022 and 2023.
Both the Collegiate's Principal and the RRA have been liaising with Forefront Utilities, and we now have more information available.
The current proposal is that gas main works will commence to Ingleboro Drive and Dalegarth Gardens on Sat 23 July 2022 and run until Sun 4 Sept 2022. The works will primarily be in the footway and the fairly new resurfaced carriageway on Ingleboro Dr will not have extensive excavation done to it. There will be a few trenches across at various points.
In addition, Dalegarth Gdns will be closed off at the junction to Mitchley Ave for use a storage compound and welfare facilities etc. Residents will only be able to leave this street via Ingleboro Drive.
It is not anticipated that any street will have one way working.
If possible, a second team may also be able to work on the network nearby to complete open cut works to upsize main and replace services in Honister Heights (middle section) from Saturday 23 July to Sunday 4 September 2022.
In the summer of 2023, Forefront Utilities would need to return to complete the remaining gas mains replacement to Eskdale Gardens, Honister Heights (both western and eastern ends) and Dunmail Drive o/s Riddlesdown Collegiate.
All gas mains not already replaced to houses will need to be upgraded to PE (yellow plastic) so there is no iron main or services left in the area. So where new gas mains are laid into houses, then access will be required to the property at some point. Where there are new PE mains to houses, the connection will be made in the street. It is appreciated that this is holiday season and the contractor will letter drop all residents affected before works commence. Residents can then liaise with Forefront Utilities.
This work is still subject to change and the RRA have just been told about it. We have had no say in how and when the work is to be done. The RRA and the Principal at the Collegiate have made comments, and we are happy to try and answer any questions residents may have.
This is a pdf drawing of all works.
Phased work drawings;:Team One -
Phased Work drawings -
Phased Work drawings -
The RRA have been advised by Croydon Council that the footways (pavement) on both sides of Riddlesdown Ave for the full length of the street, are to be re-
The Council write:
“Riddlesdown Avenue -
Start Date: Monday 23/05/22–07/06/22 between 0800-
We apologise for the short notification
To enable the Contractor to undertake the works, on-
Croydon’s Highways team wishes to apologise in advance and welcomes your co-
In view of these works, residents and businesses in the vicinity have been notified with a letter drop notification (attached).”
In addition, the One Network website, is advising about SGN road works on Mitchley Ave near to the Ingleboro Dr and Coombe Wood Hill junctions from 30 to 31 May. Two-
More details on the OneNetwork-
TfL have opened a public consultation today (20 May 2022) on proposals to expand the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) London-
Currently, the ULEZ charge is within the areas bounded by the north and south circular roads.
They want to hear the public's views on their proposals. The consultation closes on 29 July 2022. More details on this link