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UPPER WARLINGHAM IS ALSO IN ZONE 6 AND IS THE LAST STATION ON THIS LINE, WITHIN THE LONDON ZONES.
For those residents who are not regular users of Riddlesdown Station -
On trains from East Grinstead, it is usually carriage 4 by the exit.
Times below are from 21 May 2017 until 9 December 2017. Residents are advised to check and confirm times with Southern Railway or National Rail.
To East Croydon (EC), & London Victoria, (London Bridge (LB)):
Weekdays: 06.15(LB), 06.42(LB), 07.02, 07.11(LB), 07.35, 07.46(LB), 08.04, 08.18(LB), 08.37, 08.46(LB), 09.06, 09.36 then 06 and 36 mins past hour (except the 17.37) until 23.06 (Plus LB train at 18.46, EC only trains at 19.16, 19.46 & 20.16).
Saturdays (To Victoria only): 07.06, 07.36, and then 36 and 06 mins past hour until 23.06.
Sundays (To Victoria only) 08.49, 09.41, and then 11 and 41 mins past hour until 20.41, 21.41, 22.41, 23.38.
To London Bridge -
From London Victoria to Riddlesdown:
Weekdays: 05.47, 06.24, 07.32, 08.53, 09.23, 09.54 and then 23 and 53 mins past hour until 22.23, 22.54 (Mon to Thurs) 22.53 (Fri only), 23.23, 23.47.
Saturdays: 06.23, 06.53 and then 23 and 53 mins past hour until 23.24 & 23.47.
Sundays: 07.47, 08.53, 09.23, 09.53, 10.23, 10.53 and then 23 & 53 mins past hour until 19.53, 20.53, 21.53, 22.36.
From London Bridge to Riddlesdown:
Weekdays: 07.03, 07.18, 07.50, 08.24, 17.13, 17.45, 18.17 & 18.47.
Saturdays & Sundays: No direct Services.
From East Croydon to Riddlesdown:
Weekdays: 06.06, 06.41, 07.17 (to Hurst Green), 07.34, 07.50, 08.09, 08.41, 09.11, 09.41, 10.11, then 41 and 10 mins past hour until 16.40, 17.10, 17.30, 17.42, 17.58, 18.11, 18.31, 18.43, 19.02, 19.11, 19.41, 20.10, 20.42, 21.10, then 41 mins and 10 mins past hour until 00.16.
Saturdays: 06.41, 07.10 then 41 & 10 mins past hour (except the 09.11) until 23.41 & 00.07.
Sundays: 08.10, 09.10, 09.40, & then 10 & 40 mins past hour (except the 11.11) until 21.11, 22.10, 22.57.
Major changes to late night trains from Victoria due to overnight engineering works from Monday 22 May 2017
The main change will be that no services from London Victoria will run between 00.06 and 04.24 on Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays or Sundays.
The last train from Victoria to East Croydon will be 00.05.
The following late night trains from Victoria are cancelled from Sunday night/ Monday morning to Thursday night/ Friday morning.
They will still run on Friday night/ Saturday morning and Saturday night/ Sunday morning.
00.14 Victoria to Clapham Junction, East Croydon, Purley Coulsdon South, Redhill and Gatwick Airport. Cancelled
00.16 Victoria all stations to East Croydon -
00.42 Victoria all stations to East Croydon -
The 01.00, 02.00, 03.00 & 04.00 Victoria to Clapham Junction, East Croydon, Purley and Gatwick Airport -
The last connecting train from London Bridge is 00.12.
Some Thameslink services will also call at Purley during the night between midnight and 05.00
There will be a connecting bus from Clapham Junction to East Croydon at 00.21, 01.09, 02.09, 03.09 & 04.09.
These changes are expected to last until at least December 2017. During these hours, passengers will be able to use their Southern tickets on Thameslink services from London Blackfriars or St Pancras International to travel between central London, East Croydon and Gatwick Airport or Brighton.
Please check with National Rail enquiries, or Southern Railway or Tfl as on some nights due to Engineering works, these train might start from London Bridge.
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Southern Railway, Tfl or National Rail.
The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
FOR FULL TIMETABLE FOLLOW THIS LINK
Southern Customer Services: Tel: 08451 272920
National Rail Enquiries: Tel: 08457 484950,
Network Rail have advised of more noisy overnight engineering works to the Riddlesdown railway line (4 night shifts) -
Delay Repay 15 -
Regular Southern Rail commuters will probably be aware of this compensation announcement, but occasional users may not.
From Sunday 11 December 2016, customers on Southern will be able to claim Delay Repay if their train journey is delayed by 15 minutes or more instead of the current 30 minutes (except when delays are caused by planned engineering work). It might be a hassle but at least you can get a refund!
Under ‘Delay Repay 15’ passengers will be able to claim 25% of the cost of a single fare for journeys delayed between 15-
Find out more on this Southern link
Update 16/8/17 Information from the Thameslink Programme
Changes to London Bridge station
There will be some operational changes at London Bridge station from September to December 2017, after we open platform 6 to allow more Charing Cross trains to call at London Bridge.
Until December, platforms may feel more crowded than usual and you will be requested to remain on the concourse until your service is announced. While we have robust plans in place to manage this, it may be preferable to travel from other London stations in the evenings, where possible.
Safety of passengers remains our number one priority. We’re working hard to minimise disruption to passengers until this extensive work is finished in 2018. This is only a temporary measure while London Bridge remains a work in progress.
Ticket acceptance changes from Sunday 3 September
From 3 September, Charing Cross trains that are currently unable to stop at London Bridge during peak times will once again be able to call, following the completion of the upcoming improvement work at London Bridge.
Therefore, interim ticket acceptance and automatic refund arrangements for the Tube and buses will be partially withdrawn. Changes vary by train operator. Journeys via the following Tube stations and bus routes will no longer be automatically refunded: •Southeastern – Southwark, Waterloo;
•Southern – Charing Cross, Embankment, Southwark, Waterloo; bus route 15
•South West Trains – London Bridge, Southwark, Waterloo; bus routes 381 and RV1
•Ticket acceptance for Thameslink customers remains unchanged until January 2018.
For more information, please visit www.ThameslinkProgramme.co.uk/changes-
Thank you for your patience and understanding.”
Summary about redevelopment until 2018
December 2014 to January 2018 -
From 23 March 2013, the privately owned and voluntarily run Bluebell Railway will be connected to the national rail system at East Grinstead, meaning that Riddlesdown residents can get on a train from Riddlesdown Station and travel from Riddlesdown to East Grinstead and then transfer onto the Bluebell Railway.
Further information and update reports: Link to Bluebell Railway
Local Bus Route and Frequency
Bus 412 (Arriva)
The 412 starts/ends at West Croydon Bus Station and travels along Wellesley Rd, Katharine Str, High Str, South End, Selsdon Rd, Upper Selsdon Rd, Addington Rd (stop for Selsdon), Rectory Park, Mitchley Ave, Downs Court Rd, Godstone Rd, & ends/starts at Brighton Rd, Purley Hospital.
Frequency Weekdays & Saturdays: Early; 20 mins, Peak; 15 mins, Daytime; 15 mins, Evenings; 20 mins, Late Evenings; 30 mins. Frequency Sundays; 30 mins.
To Plan a bus, train, tram, tube, bike or walking journey from Riddlesdown, follow this link to the Tfl website and insert “Riddlesdown” in the “From” box. Link
London Bus Route Maps Link
Arriva London Tel 0845 300 7000 (0800-
The RRA have been made aware of the London Bus Users’ Online Community, an initiative set up last year by London TravelWatch that aims to give bus passengers a stronger voice. In view of the recent poor performance of our 412 bus service (or other routes), residents may want to voice their concerns?! If you want to find out more please follow this link.
(Sources: Trains: Southern Railway; Buses: Transport for London (TfL).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Changes to train fares and Oyster/Contactless from 4 January 2016.
Oyster and contactless can now be used at stations from Riddlesdown (change at East Croydon), Purley and East Croydon to Gatwick airport (including Horley, Salfords, Earlswood, Redhill and Merstham) as well as within virtually all stations in London. Further details on this Tfl link
However groups of three or more people travelling together may still find it cheaper to buy a paper ticket. Accompanied children under the age of 11 can now travel free on National Rail in the zones as they do on the buses and Underground. Unaccompanied children will still need to have an appropriate Oystercard or buy a paper ticket. Tfl link
Other children can also travel free and others at a discount with an Oyster Zip card. For information on how to apply for an Oyster Zip card for children Tfl link
Since 16 September 2014 you'll also be able to use contactless as well on Tube, Tram, DLR, London Overground and most National Rail services in London. Further details on this Tfl link
This Pass is supplied by the London Councils (all the London Boroughs and City of London) to residents of London.
There are two types of Freedom Pass.
1. The Disabled Pass is available to anybody with a qualifying disability (see website for full list) who lives in a London Borough and is part of the National disability scheme.
2. The Older Persons Freedom Pass is available to residents of a London Borough who have reached the state pension age.
Validity London :
More information and how to apply;
60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme:
The former London Mayor, Boris Johnson, introduced a new 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard from 1 November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a London Freedom Pass. The pass will have the same validity as a Freedom Pass. Further details from the Tfl website or Tfl application page
More information on all Oyster Adult Discounts and Concessions from Tfl website
The RRA have heard from Croydon Council (3/10/17) that Southern Gas Networks (SGN) have postponed the gas main works to Buttermere Gdns, Derwent Drive; Grisedale Gardens & Grisedale Close (that were due to commence on 9 October and run for 32 weeks), until early next year (2018).
We will update more when we hear from Croydon Council and SGN.
As advised previously by the Council, the works were due to start on Monday 9 October 2017 in Buttermere Gardens and run until 22 December 2017 (11 weeks). A one way working (access from Mitchley Ave only) via the “down side” by the island green, will operate. Parking restrictions to Buttermere Gardens will be put into place. Dalegarth Gardens will be used as the alternative route for access onto Mitchley Ave (as well as Ingleboro Drive).
The works to Derwent Drive, Grisedale Gardens and Grisedale Close will commence after these works finish and run until April 2018. However, works to these three streets have not yet been signed off by the Council.
The RRA have seen the proposed plans for all phases and we have raised a number of comments/concerns to the Council. We are told that SGN will letter drop all affected residents and there will be local drop in sessions before the works commence for residents to ask questions.
We will update more in due course when we receive further information about new dates in 2018, from the Council.
Croydon Council’s Traffic Management Committee on 9 May 2017 agreed to implement 20 mph areas to all streets in Areas 3, 4 & 5 in Croydon except mainly Class A & B roads (where mot accidents and injuries/fatalities occur), despite many objections from the public (Riddlesdown is in Area 5). Officers recommended approval in their report to Councillors but the Labour Councillors agreed with the Officers. The Conservatives voted against the implementation of the scheme.
It was part of the report by Officers (Annexe 3) that some streets in our area might stay at 30 mph (i.e. Riddlesdown Rd, Mitchley Hill and Purley Downs Rd), and others could change from 20 to 30 mph. However it has been confirmed by the Council that the suggested changes put forward by Officers (from 20 to 30 mph and some 30 to 20 mph) to the TMA Committee were NOT approved. This means 30 mph (or 40 mph on some sections of the A23) will only apply to most Class A or Class B roads only. In the Riddlesdown area, this will be 30 mph only, on the A2022 (Downs Court Rd, Mitchley Ave and Rectory Park only. All other streets in our area will be 20 mph. The Committee papers are on this link. Scroll down to Item 7.
In total, 3,357 people objected, (with 103 in favour) and in a combined total, there were 18,862 objections with the various reasons why the scheme shouldn't be implemented for Areas 3,4 & 5. The “in favour vote” was low because the Council said it was a presumption in favour of the scheme, unless they received many objections. However, they would not say previously, how many they would accept as to the number of objections.
No mention was made in the report about the way the consultation process was undertaken, with residents unable to either support or object to the scheme; i.e a vote, which the seven southern RAs had raised, and also no mention was made of Councillor objections.
The Conservatives did have this TMAC decision "called in" as not being democratic on the consultation process, and requesting the Council act on what residents have said in their objections. This was put to the Scrutiny Committee on Wednesday 24 May 2017 but it was rejected by that Committee.
It is expected all areas will be covered by 20 mph before May 2018. However, the RRA understands the whole consultation process could now be the subject of a legal challenge, by a local road transport group. We will update further if we hear anymore about this.
More information is on the Croydon Council’s website
Due to all the accidents (at least eight) on the bend of Rectory Park/Mitchley Ave (since November 2016) and following pressure from the RRA to improve road safety on this bend, the Council’s contractor Kier, will be re-
The resurfacing works will take place between Mitchley Ave (o/s 157) to the junction with Rectory Park.
All parking will be be forbidden in this vicinity and there will be an official diversion route for all traffic, including the 412 bus service and HGV’s. The Council have advised to the RRA this diversion route, which will be signposted.
“For motorists approaching from the east: the main diversion route will start from the closure at Rectory Park from the roundabout with Limpsfield Road, where it will be signed south along Limpsfield Road to Warlingham, then right at The Green, along Westhall Road, then right into Hillbury Road and continuing along to the roundabout at Whyteleafe. At that roundabout the route turns right and heads north along Godstone Road to the junction with Downs Court Road where it finishes.
The reverse direction will be signed from the west at Downs Court Road, following the same route back to as far as Limpsfield Road and its junction with Mitchley Hill.
Access for local residents will always be maintained" And there are other local diversion routes which many local residents will no doubt be aware of!
All local residents will be advised by letter of the works. We are told by the Council that if it is wet and/or frosty, the works maybe postponed.
Another accident on 15/9/17, at the bend on Rectory Park/Mitchley Ave. This is at least eight accidents now since last November (we recently learnt about another one on 20 May 2017). The RRA have advised the Council, and the sooner they lay an anti skid surface the better (which the RRA have been asking for, for many months now). It might not solve the problem but it may help. Thanks to Lynne Dennis for the photo.
The RRA have been made aware of yet another accident on the bend of Rectory Park/Mitchley Ave at 6am on Sunday 30 July. We are told that two cars coming down the hill were involved and possibly the second car went into the back of the first car. The Police did attend. Yet again the road was wet, with heavy rain overnight Sat/Sun! This is now the sixth accident since November 2016, on this bend and all in the wet!
We have again written to the Council and made them aware of this latest accident and asked them when further works are to be done to make this section of road safe. Our e-
We were advised on 17 May, following a written question from Ward Cllr Tim Pollard to Cabinet member Cllr Stuart King and Stuart King replied;
”I have asked our engineers to consider the introduction of anti-
We have also raised with the Council about the following items/repairs that are required:
We will advise when we get a full reply!
Yet again there has been another accident on the bend of Rectory Park/Mitchley Ave on Sunday evening (30/4/17), when the road was again wet (red car in photo)!
We are told this is now the 5th accident in this vicinity since November 2016. Three accidents have been in the wet, with motorists coming down the hill and losing control on the bend. Two accidents have occurred on Mitchley Ave going towards the hill in Rectory Park because of parked vehicles near the bend (silver car in photo is one accident). Accidents close to the bend also seem to be happening more regularly because of parked vehicles on Mitchley Ave.
The RRA have had a lot of e-
The RRA have written to the Council again after this latest accident, to highlight the serious issues here (there have been numerous accidents on this bend and closeby over the years) and we hope they will do more road safety works soon, before a motorist, passenger, or a pedestrian is killed. Cllr Tim Pollard (Sanderstead Ward Cllr) has also now raised a Council question (2/5/17) about the safety on this bend with Transport Cabinet Member, Cllr Stuart King and asking him to intervene.
The Council have also told us they have not managed to secure funding from Tfl to resurface both Mitchley Ave and Rectory Park this year. So we are going to have to put up with all the ruts and rough road surfaces on these two stretches of road!!!
Photos below courtesy of Veronica Roadnight.
Yet another road traffic collision occurred on 16 November at 6.30am, in Mitchley Ave on the bend with Rectory Park
It was raining again at the time and most incidents seem to occur here, when raining. Yet again a vehicle has come down the hill of Rectory Park and lost control on the exit and taken out the lamp column (for the second time in 3 months) by the woodland about 75 metres after the bend.
Photograph above courtesy of Helen Leonard
Following this latest accident, the RRA have had extensive correspondence with two Council Officers since (copying in local Councillors and Cllr Stuart King the Labour Cabinet member responsible for Transport and Environment and Riddlesdown Collegiate). Cllr King has responded that he will take this up with the Director of Streets at his next briefing with him.
The RRA made a number of suggestions to Officers, which included improving the road signage, laying an anti skid road surface just before, on the bend and just after, installing an Armco barrier to protect pedestrians and additional chevron boards. Repositioning the lamp column damaged twice now, and additional road markings were another request. We also pointed about a number of other road defects locally.
The Council Officers have rejected virtually all our suggestions! They did say they have made a number of additional safety measures at this bend over the years.
However, Officers have said they will look to install another “SLOW” road marking just before the bend, and installing white marked dragons teeth on the road, to highlight the danger ahead, look at the signage, and check on the condition of the road markings. Something, but overall not a good result and the RRA will keep pressing the Council on this. In the meantime, if any other further incidents occur here, please post it on our Facebook page and with photos if possible (or e-
Regarding the speed camera further along in Mitchley Ave (near the shops) we have been told this is to be replaced soon. Safety cameras are controlled and maintained by the London Safety Camera Partnership (LSCP), which is made up of Transport for London (TfL), the Metropolitan Police and Her Majesty’s Courts Service (HMCS). The LSCP have informed Officers that the safety (speed) camera was removed following damage caused by vandalism, as well as all the road speed sensors being removed when the section of road by the camera was re-
The Highways Agency have introduced these HADECS 3 speed cameras on the M25 since May 2014, within their "SMART" motorway system (where the hard shoulder is now used). The other type, more usual on motorways; HADECS 2 cameras are mounted on overhead gantries above each lane on the motorway.
The HADECS 3 cameras are on the side of the motorway and cover all 4 lanes (usually beside an overhead gantry). Principally they are to enforce the variable speed limits. However there are two in particular on the M25 about 2.5 miles after Clacket Services (anti clockwise) and like wise about 2.5 miles before Clacket on the clockwise section, which are flashing above the 70mph speed limit! Kent Police enforce these cameras on both sides of the motorway, east of Clacket Services.
There is another camera on the anticlockwise stretch about 2.5 miles before Clacket (and 2.5 miles after Clacket on the clockwise side) which is enforced by Surrey Police.
There are none of the white markings on the road to give any warning, as they are not required for this new type of camera. There are also reports of some motorists braking hard when seeing it flash for vehicles in front! They are also quite distracting at night when flashing on the opposite carriageway on this unlit section, as they flash across the motorway.
They are also now on other parts of the M25, M20, M1, M3, M4, M11 and M6.
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