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Train Services for Riddlesdown from Sunday 17 May 2020
Information received from GTR that from Monday 18 May the train service for Riddlesdown (RDD) will revert back to a Saturday service; i.e. trains to VIC at 06 and 36 mins past the hour. There is an additional Southern service at 06.36 hrs, then the normal timetable for a Saturday service from 07.06 hrs. There is also another additional train at 08.15 to LBG only (Thameslink).
Times to RDD from VIC depart at 20 and 50 mins past the hour. There is only one Thameslink train from LBG (direct) at 17.39 hrs.
Sundays will be the usual service. Consult the National Rail website for times. Gatwick Express will still not run a service.
Further information from GTR:
"The rail industry is committed to providing a train service that supports key workers to be able to get to work.
While the Government advice remains that anyone who can, should continue to work entirely from home, there are people who will need to go to their place of work. The Government has published guidance for people who cannot work from home and must use public transport.
As a starting point, passengers are being encouraged to avoid public transport where they have alternatives, this is to protect as much space as possible for those who must use it. This is because even as public transport begins to return to a full service, the 2-
This guidance can be found on this link
This is a temporary timetable designed to provide more space on board for key workers. As a result, and because of the impact of coronavirus, the rail industry will not introduce the full Summer timetable change on Sunday 17 May 2020 as originally planned, however, the industry is going ahead with the £150m upgrade of Gatwick Airport railway station, which will provide much needed improvements in the future, and our timetable is designed to support this upgrade. It is our intention, that when it is the right time to introduce more train services, we will scale-
We are scrutinising our train planning and adapting our operations to comply with the government’s social distancing guidelines for customers and to ensure the safety of our colleagues whether working at stations, on services, in depots or out across the network.
Over the next few days, you will see more information on our website and social media, helping to manage passenger flow and social distancing at stations. All of our channels are being updated at the time of writing."
412 Bus Service
From Monday 6 April the 412 will move to a Sunday service for all 7 days until further notice, at two buses per hour in each direction. Please refer to the Sunday timetable on this link
It has also been confirmed to us by TfL that the 612 school service is definitely not running until further notice.
The above times are shown in good faith. If you notice an error please let us know. The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Please check before travelling with the train operator and/or Network Rail or TfL.
For those residents who are not regular users of Riddlesdown Station -
On trains from East Grinstead, it is usually carriage 4 by the exit. Next stop is Sanderstead!
Please only refer to the Saturday Rail timetables below from Monday 18/5/20(for Mon to Sat use); and use the Sunday timetable from 17/5/20
RIDDLESDOWN/LONDON/LUTON/BEDFORD TRAIN TIMES
Southern Rail and Thameslink trains to and from Riddlesdown with effect from Sunday 15 December 2019 until further notice
National Rail Key; RDD -
To London and/or Bedford from Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: All trains terminate at London Victoria, unless otherwise stated in brackets; 6.06, 06.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 06.35, 06.42(to LBG, STP, BDM), 07.06, 07.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 07.36, 07.45(to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.06, 08.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.36, 08.45(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.06, 09.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.36 and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until last train at 23.36.
Saturdays (To London Victoria only): 07.06, 07.36, and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until 23.36.
Sundays (To London Victoria only) 08.42, and then 12 and 42 mins past hour until 23.44.
To and from London Bridge and Bedford -
From London Victoria to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Times in brackets are the arrival times at Riddlesdown for departures on to Oxted & East Grinstead.
Weekdays: 05.20(05.49), 05.50(06.18), 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18), 07.20(07.48), 07.50(08.18), 08.20(08.48), 08.50(09.18), 09.20(09.48), and then 50(18) and 20(48) mins past the hour until 22.52(23.18), 23.22(23.48), 23.53(00.23 -
Saturdays: 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18) and then 20(48)and 50(18) mins past hour until 23.53(00.23 -
Sundays: 07.43(08.17), 08.51(09.17), 09.21(09.47), 09.51(10.17), and then 21(47) & 51(17) mins past hour until 22.51(23.17).
From Bedford (BDM) or Luton (LUT) via London St Pancras (STP) & London Bridge(LBG) to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays only: 15.49(LUT)(17.05); 16.06(BDM) at LBG 17.11(17.35); 16.32(BDM) at LBG 17.41(18.05); 17.21(LUT) at LBG 18.11(18.35); 17.28(BDM) at LBG 18.41(19.05); 17.56(BDM) at LBG 19.11(19.35).
From East Croydon to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: 05.41(49), 06.10(18), 06.40(48), 07.10(18), 07.40(48), then 10(18) and 40(48) mins past hour until 16.55(05), 17.10(18), 17.25(35), 17.40(48), 17.56(05), 18.10(18), 18.25(35), 18.40(48), 18.55(05), 19.10(18), 19.25(35), 19.40(48), then 10(18)mins and 40(48) mins past hour until 00.14(23 -
Saturdays: 06.40(06.48), 07.10(07.18) and then 40(48) and 10(18) mins past hour until 00.14(00.23) -
Sundays: 08.09(08.17), 09.09(17), 09.39(47), and then 09(17) and 39(47) mins past the hour until 23.09(17).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Southern Railway, Tfl or National Rail.
The above times are shown in good faith. If anyone notices any errors will you please contact the RRA. The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Please check before travelling with the train operator and/or Network Rail.
in June and July
Weekend engineering work is taking place between South Croydon and East Grinstead/Uckfield, closing the line.
This will be on;
Sat 20 Sat & Sun 21 June -
Sat 27 &28 June -
Sat 4 & Sun 5 July -
Sunday 12 July -
Although rail replacement buses will be running to Purley Station -
Passengers using Riddlesdown will have to get the 412 bus service from Mitchley Ave, (Lower Barn Rd) near to Buttermere Gardens to Purley town centre. Passengers need to check the time of the buses. Alternatively walking (or driving) to Purley Station is another option.
Southern rail tickets will be accepted on the 412 bus, to and from Purley Station.
All passengers using Sanderstead station will have to use Purley Oaks Station instead.
Although passengers are being told to make essential rail travel only the RRA have told GTR this is unsatisfactory arrangement regarding the 412 service. We will upadte more in due course.
More information on this Souther Rail link
National Rail Enquiries: Tel: 03457 48 49 50
Southern Customer Services: Tel: 03451 27 29 20 (07.00 -
Season ticket compensation scheme for Thameslink trains from Riddlesdown (Additional industry compensation); Posted 20/7/18
Delay Repay compensation -
From 23 March 2013, the privately owned and voluntarily run Bluebell Railway will be connected to the national rail system at East Grinstead, meaning that Riddlesdown residents can get on a train from Riddlesdown Station and travel from Riddlesdown to East Grinstead and then transfer onto the Bluebell Railway.
Further information and update reports: Link to Bluebell Railway
Information from TfL 29/5/20
Return to front door boarding and capacity limits on London buses
“I am writing to let you know that a number of London bus routes will return to front door boarding from tomorrow, with customers required to touch in with Oyster, contactless and concessionary cards. New limits to the number of customers on board at any one time will also be introduced to further ensure the safety of customers and bus drivers.
From Saturday 30 May, 124 bus routes will have signage instructing customers to board using the front door and use their Oyster, contactless or concessionary cards. This will include the following bus routes in the London Borough of Croydon: 75, 109, 130, 196, 197, 314, 353, 407 and 433.
Front door boarding will be reinstated on further bus routes as soon as possible, and we anticipate that all London buses will have returned to front-
This follows extensive work by the University College of London’s Centre for Transport Studies and Department of Civil, Environmental & Geomatic Engineering to assess the risks for drivers in their cabs, and close work with bus operators and Unite the Union to develop improvements to the protective screens next to bus drivers. The analysis finds that the steps we have taken – adding, a film layer to screens and sealing off gaps around the screen including the Oyster reader -
Reinstating the traditional passenger flow will improve social distancing for customers when they get on or off our buses and when they queue at stations and stops. It will also give us accurate information about bus usage to help ensure we are providing the service required to enable safe travel for all.
To further ensure the safety of customers and bus drivers, new limits to the number of customers on board at any one time will be introduced. This will help customers to observe the national guidance to maintain a two-
Please see a full copy of our press release."
412 Bus Service -
The 412 continues to operate to a Sunday service for all 7 days until Saturday 30 May. Then it reverts back to a normal service. Please refer to the timetable on this link
It has also been confirmed to us by TfL that the 612 school service is definitely not running until further notice.
Local Bus Route and Frequency
Bus 412 (Arriva) -
The permanent changes happened in central Croydon to the 412 bus route on Saturday 2 November 2019, with the bus service no longer running between Katharine Street and West Croydon, (including the Whitgift Centre stops in Wellesley Rd) and vice versa.
As Michelle Wildish from TfL said at the RRA AGM in May, they are constantly reviewing all bus services in London. The way people travel around London is constantly changing and over the past five years usage of route 412 has dropped by 12 per cent. Unfortunately, it is the usual story -
Weekdays & Saturdays: Daytime; 20 mins, Evenings; 30 mins.
Frequency Sundays; 30 mins.
Since the re-
In summary the 412 Service is;
From Croydon, the 412 stands and starts in Katharine Street (by Queen’s Gardens -
From Purley, the service is nearly in reverse direction starting from Purley Downlands Precint, (Brighton Rd) then left into Godstone Rd, Down Court Rd and terminates at the bus stand in Katharine Street, Croydon (by Queen’s Gardens).
The 412 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link:
612 (School Bus Service ONLY)
The 612 only runs on school days (Mon to Fri) and is 2 services in the morning (Selsdon to Wallington) and 2 services in the afternoon (Wallington to Selsdon).
The 612 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link
403 Bus route
For those close enough in Riddlesdown to be able to get to the Limpsfield Rd, the 403 is an alternative route which starts at Sainsbury's in Warlingham (travels via Limpsfeld Rd, Sanderstead) and terminates at the West Croydon Bus Station, and then vice versa from West Croydon Bus Station to Warlingham.
The 403 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link:
In relation to the above about the 412, 612 and 403 bus services through and close to the Riddlesdown RA area, we are keen to hear from our own residents if they are having any issues with these three bus services.
The two RRA transport committee members do also sit on the East Surrey Transport Committee, along with other local RAs and the ESTC raise many transport issues with the appropriate authorities/franchises etc.
All the London bus services are also overseen by London Travelwatch. They deal with services operated or licensed by Transport for London (TfL). This does not include train services in our area (except the TfL London Overground and London Underground).
If any resident has had issues with either the 412, 612 and 403 bus services (and also praise for them) then we would be pleased to hear from you. We will only take up correspondence with residents who live in our own RRA area, so if you e-
Planning a Journey
To Plan a bus, train, tram, tube, bike or walking journey from Riddlesdown, follow this link to the Tfl website and insert “Riddlesdown” in the “From” box. Link
London Bus Route Maps Link
Arriva London Tel 020 8271 0101 (0800-
(Sources: Trains: GTR/Southern Railway/Thameslink; Buses: Transport for London (TfL).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Transport for London (TfL) travel on the trams, buses, Docklands light railway (DLR) and London overground rail line
Trying to find the cheapest fare on public transport in London can be a complex issue!
For travel and the best fare method to use on the TfL buses, tram, DLR and the London Overground rail line (the nearest rail station is West Croydon) then click on the link below.
Note all TfL buses in London are now cash free.
Train tickets and fares from Riddlesdown Station
Riddlesdown Station is in London Zone 6 and is served by Southern and Thameslink trains which both come under the GTR (Govia Thameslink Railway) franchise.
Upper Warlingham (although outside of the London Boroughs) is the last rail station in Zone 6 on our East Grinstead rail line.
For travel on Southern Rail trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase.
For travel on Thameslink trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase
National Rail also offer a ticket fare check/advance purchase for all rail franchises nationwide.
Since September 2014 you are able to use contactless cards on the tube, tram, DLR, London Overground and most National Rail services in London.
Further details on this TfL link
Generally contactless cards and Oyster are the cheapest fares in London and the fares are capped. More information on this TfL link
Unfortunately the ticket office at Riddlesdown Station – with the ticket clerk required to sell the best value ticket at each transaction is not open very often these days. Ticket buying can now be done at a ticket vending machine (TVM) – which also allows the collection of tickets bought on line. Riddlesdown has two TVM’s, one on each platform. When it is used to select tickets many options are available. However it maybe be best to purchase the ticket on line first and collect it from the TVM at Riddlesdown. You then have the option of seeing all the fares available structure. Buying a ticket for a child(ren) maybe best done this way.
This Pass is supplied by the London Councils (all the London Boroughs and City of London) to residents of London.
There are two types of Freedom Pass.
1. The Disabled Pass is available to anybody with a qualifying disability (see website for full list) who lives in a London Borough and is part of the National disability scheme.
2. The Older Persons Freedom Pass is available to residents of a London Borough who have reached the state pension age.
Validity London :
More information and how to apply;
60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme:
The former London Mayor, Boris Johnson, introduced a new 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard from 1 November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a London Freedom Pass. The pass will have the same validity as a Freedom Pass. Further details from the Tfl website or Tfl application page
Sunday 10 May 2020, marks the 20th anniversary of the first paying passengers on the Croydon Tramlink (now called London Tramlink). The official opening took place on 10 May 2000 at New Addington when Route 3 opened to the public. Route 2 to Beckenham Junction opened on 23 May 2000 with the Route 1 from Elmers End to Wimbledon opening on 29 May 2000.
The photo below was taken on 16 June 1999 and was the first tram to run under its own power on the streets of central Croydon (Wellesley Rd into George Street) and was tram No. 2535. Testing continued for nearly a year.
The passenger journey numbers in 2000/01 were 15 million. Passenger journeys are now in the region of 30 million. The tram system may be extended south from central Croydon one day!
Motorists Beware! After about 6 years, the damaged speed camera (30 mph) virtually opposite the shops in Mitchley Ave has now been replaced. It. has been pointing skyward for the last 4 months (after some initial works in January), but has been receiving attention this week. We believe, although not yet confirmed by TfL, that it may now be operational.
The RRA were told by a resident that the previous camera was damaged by part of a mobile home on a low loader vehicle.
Deferred until 2021
It has has been advertised that the planned road closure, from Tuesday 26 May, of the Godstone Rd (A22) near to the Tesco store by SES Water for water a new water main, has now been deferred again, but this time until 2021.
SES advise on their website;
"Many parties were involved in the planning and authorisation of these essential works and we received the final confirmation of go ahead on Friday 15 May, following which we wrote to over 3,000 customers to explain the implications. A few days later, support from some key parties was unfortunately retracted meaning that we are no longer in a position to carry out the work this year.
Please be assured that this project is very important to us and we will write to customers and update this page with more information when we have more details around the revised timescale next year."
We understand Croydon Council will be pushing for the works to be carried out during the 6 week school summer holiday next year, after consultations have been undertaken with all agencies.
These works have to be done at some time and in our view this is just delaying the inevitable until next year, when traffic levels will probably be much higher than at present!
SES have more information on their website
Some local road works and road closures as advised to us by Croydon Council on 1 June:
UK Power Networks will be using two way temporary signals, 25 metres west of Riddlesdown Road, to facilitate work on replacing a link box. These works will take place from 15th to 19th June between the hours of 9.30am and 2.00pm daily.
Riddlesdown Road will be closed, outside number 80, to facilitate a sewer connection from 22nd to 25th July. The diversion for displaced traffic is via Warren Road and Grasmere Road.
As part of SGN mandatory gas replacement scheme there continues to be 2 way or multi way signals along Coulson Road. From Monday 1st June will see the works continuing week nearly two weeks ahead of schedule with two signals at the junction with Tollers Lane at its junction with Coulsdon Road. Tollers Lane and Waddington Avenue are closed at their junction with Coulsdon Road. There is another team working at the junction of Keston Avenue and The Glade under multi way signals.
As part of SGN mandatory gas mains replacement scheme they are continuing their work along Pampisford Road and are now coming up to the junction with St Augustines Avenue. The traffic on Pampisford will be controlled with multiway signals. This scheme commenced on 4th May for approximately 16 weeks.
St Augustines Avenue
As part of SGN mandatory gas mains replacement scheme, St Augustine’s Avenue remains closed at its junction with Pampisford Road
St Peters Road
As part of the mandatory gas mains replacement scheme SGN will be working in St Peters Road at the junction with Dean Road, using multiway signals between 1st and 12th June.
Selsdon Road/Sussex Road (Southside)
Thames Water will be using multi way lights, with a pedestrian phase, to facilitate a new water connection from 2nd to 6th June.
Transport for London (TfL) consulted with residents and stakeholders in the summer of 2017 about proposals to changes to the double and single line red route on the A22 (Godstone Rd) from Foxley Hill Road to Old Barn Lane (at the Borough boundary to Whyteleafe).
They also proposed other works which included changes to bus stop facilities: improved zebra crossings; and changes to road layouts at some side road and designated parking areas. The RRA did submit our comments at the time, regarding these proposals.
Following careful consideration of the consultation responses received, TfL have decided to proceed with the scheme as proposed, with the some alterations. These works will commence in early 2019 and will run to 2020. Their full report is on this link
The RRA understand there have been some design and land ownership issues since the above consultation and this is the reason for the delay. These works are due to commence at sometime in 2020. But TfL have advised recently that it is still not possible to confirm a start date as yet, as they need to take into account a number of factors, such as roadworks elsewhere, planned or unplanned via Surrey County Council, and the London Boroughs of Croydon and Sutton. As we are also in extraordinary times with coronavirus they also need to take into account staff availability. We will update more in due course.
The resurfacing works to lay a better anti skid surface were completed overnight, (28/29 November 2017) on the bend to Rectory Park/Mitchley Ave. This is following extensive pressure from the RRA to Croydon Council, to do something at this location due to all the accidents (at least eight) since November 2016.
Hopefully this may now reduce the number of accidents on this bend, especially in the wet. Please let the RRA know if further accidents occur at this location and we will take it up with Croydon Council again.
There is now also a speed visor (displaying speeds above 30 mph), on the down section of the hill to Rectory Park, before the bend.