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For those residents who are not regular users of Riddlesdown Station -
On trains from East Grinstead, it is usually carriage 4 by the exit. Next stop is Sanderstead!
Southern Rail and Thameslink trains to and from Riddlesdown with effect from 9 December 2018 until Saturday 18 May 2019
National Rail Key; RDD -
To London and/or Bedford from Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: All trains terminate at London Victoria, unless otherwise stated in brackets; 6.06, 06.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 06.35, 06.42(to LBG, STP, BDM), 07.06, 07.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 07.36, 07.45(to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.06, 08.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.36, 08.45(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.06, 09.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.36 and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until last train at 23.36.
Saturdays (To London Victoria only): 07.06, 07.36, and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until 23.36.
Sundays (To London Victoria only ) 08.42, and then 12 and 42 mins past hour until 23.44.
To and from London Bridge and Bedford -
From London Victoria to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Times in brackets are the arrival times at Riddlesdown for departures on to Oxted & East Grinstead.
Weekdays 05.21(05.49), 05.51(06.18), 06.21(06.48), 06.51(07.18), 07.21(07.48), 07.51(08.18), 08.21(08.48), 08.51(09.18), 09.21(09.48), and then 51(18) and 21(48) mins past the hour until 22.52(23.18), 23.21(23.48), 23.53(00.23 -
Saturdays: 06.21(06.48), 06.51(07.18) and then 21(48)and 51(18) mins past hour until 23.53(00.24 -
Sundays: 07.43(08.17), 08.51(09.17), 09.21(09.47), 09.51(10.17), and then 21(47) & 51(17) mins past hour until 22.51(23.17).
From Bedford (BDM) or Luton (LUT) via London St Pancras (STP) & London Bridge(LBG) to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays only 15.49(LUT)(17.05); 16.06(BDM) at LBG 17.11(17.35); 16.32(BDM) at LBG 17.41(18.05); 17.21(LUT) at LBG 18.11(18.35); 17.28(BDM) at LBG 18.41(19.05); 17.56(BDM) at LBG 19.11(19.35).
From East Croydon to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: 05.41(49), 06.10(18), 06.40(48), 07.10(18), 07.40(48), then 10(18) and 40(48) mins past hour until 16.55(05), 17.10(18), 17.25(35), 17.40(48), 17.56(05), 18.10(18), 18.25(35), 18.40(48), 18.55(05), 19.10(18), 19.25(35), 19.40(48), then 10(18)mins and 40(48) mins past hour until 00.14(23 -
Saturdays: 06.40(06.48), 07.10(07.18) and then 40(48) and 10(18) mins past hour until 00.15(00.24) -
Sundays: 08.09(08.17), 09.09(17), 09.39(47), and then 09(17) and 39(47) mins past the hour until 23.09(17).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Southern Railway, Tfl or National Rail.
The above times are shown in good faith. If anyone notices any errors will you please contact the RRA. The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Please check before travelling with the train operator and/or Network Rail.
National Rail Enquiries: Tel: 03457 48 49 50
Southern Customer Services: Tel: 03451 27 29 20 (07.00 -
Season ticket compensation scheme for Thameslink trains from Riddlesdown (Additional industry compensation); Posted 20/7/18
Delay Repay compensation -
A reminder about the Brighton line upgrade and the 9 day closure from 16 February -
All routes via Haywards Heath.
Major improvement work is taking place between Three Bridges and Brighton, closing all lines.
Replacement buses will run between:
Three Bridges and Brighton.
Three Bridges and Lewes.
Train services between Brighton and London stations will be diverted to run via Littlehampton. Services that run on coastal routes between Brighton and Eastbourne / Hastings will run, though there will be no direct services from these stations to London.
Gatwick Express services will run every 30 minutes between London Victoria and Gatwick Airport."
All details of local Engineering work are on this Southern link. Click on the date of travel.
From 23 March 2013, the privately owned and voluntarily run Bluebell Railway will be connected to the national rail system at East Grinstead, meaning that Riddlesdown residents can get on a train from Riddlesdown Station and travel from Riddlesdown to East Grinstead and then transfer onto the Bluebell Railway.
Further information and update reports: Link to Bluebell Railway
Local Bus Route and Frequency
Bus 412 (Arriva)
The 412 starts/ends at West Croydon Bus Station and travels along Wellesley Rd, Katharine Str, High Str, South End, Selsdon Rd, Upper Selsdon Rd, Addington Rd (stop for Selsdon), Rectory Park, Mitchley Ave, Downs Court Rd, Godstone Rd, & ends/starts at Brighton Rd, Purley Hospital.
Frequency Weekdays & Saturdays: Early; 20 mins, Peak; 15 mins, Daytime; 15 mins, Evenings; 20 mins, Late Evenings; 30 mins. Frequency Sundays; 30 mins. Up until 31/8/18.
This TfL bus route consultation closed on Sunday 13 January 2019.
The consultation was regarding 11 bus routes that will be affected in central Croydon and for Riddlesdown this will be the 412 and 403 bus routes.
The details of all the proposed changes to routes are the numbers 50, 75, 109, 154, 197, 250, 264, 403, 405, 412, 433 and are set out below:
It is proposed to terminate routes 50, 75, 250 and 264 at West Croydon Bus Station.
It is proposed to terminate routes 154, 403, 405 and 412 in the Mid Croydon area (Katharine Street and St George’s Walk).
It is proposed to terminate routes 197 and 433 at Fairfield Halls.
Route 109 would stand at Fell Road. There would be no change to its first or last stop.
At night, 24-
A number of residents have contacted us, especially elderly and disabled residents, expressing concerns that they will have to walk between Katharine Street to West Croydon Bus Terminus/Railway Station (and vice versa) and they will not manage this easily. It appears TfL have not taken into full consideration the effect this could have on some.
The main reasons that TfL are proposing these changes, are to reduce services/traffic on Wellesley Rd due to the proposed building works for the Whitgift Shopping Centre (Westfield) and also the construction of the 68 storey building at 1 Lansdowne Rd (on the junction of Wellesley Rd).
Updated 6/9/18 -
The new timetable from 1/9/18 is available on this link in pdf Please note that this timetable does not show all bus stops, only a selected few.
Tfl announced on 13 August, changes to the 412 bus route (West Croydon to Purley):
From Purley Road. Tesco, buses will run along Banstead Road, Foxley Lane, Pampisford Road, Christchurch Road and Brighton Road. The last stop will be stop Z1 in Brighton Road (southbound), opposite Purley War Memorial Hospital. Stops D and E in Brighton Road (northbound) will no longer be served.
There will be no change to the route and stops towards West Croydon. This is to improve reliability, as buses will have a shorter distance to travel when empty between journeys.
We’re initially introducing this as a temporary change, but may make it permanent, following consultation. To match demand, we’re also changing the frequency:
Monday to Saturday daytimes buses will run every 20 minutes, with three additional journeys in school day peak hours (previously every 15 minutes, with two additional journeys in school day peak hours) (the new additional school day journey will run from West Croydon to Purley in the morning peak)
The RRA have received no prior notification about these changes! The RRA and Ward Councillors will be monitoring the situation closely. If any users of this route experience problems after 1 Sept, then please tell TfL (directly) and/or e-
The RRA and Ward Councillors would like to hear any resident feedback. Are the buses leaving Purley (and/or Croydon) on time and arriving in Riddlesdown as scheduled? It has been noted that the old timetable at bus stops have not been changed to the new timetable and that has been pointed out to TFL. Please e-
To Plan a bus, train, tram, tube, bike or walking journey from Riddlesdown, follow this link to the Tfl website and insert “Riddlesdown” in the “From” box. Link
London Bus Route Maps Link
Arriva London Tel 0845 300 7000 (0800-
The RRA have been made aware of the London Bus Users’ Online Community, an initiative set up last year by London TravelWatch that aims to give bus passengers a stronger voice. In view of the recent poor performance of our 412 bus service (or other routes), residents may want to voice their concerns?! If you want to find out more please follow this link.
(Sources: Trains: Southern Railway; Buses: Transport for London (TfL).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Changes to train fares and Oyster/Contactless from 4 January 2016.
Oyster and contactless can now be used at stations from Riddlesdown (change at East Croydon), Purley and East Croydon to Gatwick airport (including Horley, Salfords, Earlswood, Redhill and Merstham) as well as within virtually all stations in London. Further details on this Tfl link
However groups of three or more people travelling together may still find it cheaper to buy a paper ticket. Accompanied children under the age of 11 can now travel free on National Rail in the zones as they do on the buses and Underground. Unaccompanied children will still need to have an appropriate Oystercard or buy a paper ticket. Tfl link
Other children can also travel free and others at a discount with an Oyster Zip card. For information on how to apply for an Oyster Zip card for children Tfl link
Since 16 September 2014 you are able to use contactless as well on Tube, Tram, DLR, London Overground and most National Rail services in London. Further details on this Tfl link
This Pass is supplied by the London Councils (all the London Boroughs and City of London) to residents of London.
There are two types of Freedom Pass.
1. The Disabled Pass is available to anybody with a qualifying disability (see website for full list) who lives in a London Borough and is part of the National disability scheme.
2. The Older Persons Freedom Pass is available to residents of a London Borough who have reached the state pension age.
Validity London :
More information and how to apply;
60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme:
The former London Mayor, Boris Johnson, introduced a new 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard from 1 November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a London Freedom Pass. The pass will have the same validity as a Freedom Pass. Further details from the Tfl website or Tfl application page
More information on all Oyster Adult Discounts and Concessions from Tfl website
Gas mains works to northern areas of Riddlesdown -
The RRA have received further information from Croydon Council about the re-
The RRA did point out to the Council that there is a Parents evening at Riddlesdown Collegiate until 8pm on Thursday 7 March and the Council have agreed to delay the start of the works that evening to allow parents/pupils and staff to leave the Collegiate. The Principal has been advised.
We have not yet received from the Council details of the diversion route and where the 412 service will be diverted to each evening after 8pm.
and from Copthorne Rise to the junction with Rectory Park (half width -
The RRA have enquired with the Council as to why the sections from near to the Coombe Wood Hill junction to o/s No 21a are not being done as well (eastbound in direction of Selsdon), which is also poor in places! We await their response on this.
The Council advise: "Due to the locations and nature of these works it is inevitable that some disruption will occur, these works are being scheduled to be carried out between 20:00-
Furthermore, to enable the works to be completed with the least inconvenient to the residents traffic management plans are available on request to illustrate these works according to the councils specifications.
Croydon’s Highways team wishes to apologise in advance and welcomes your co-
In view of these works, we will notify residents and businesses in the vicinity with a letter drop notification.
Pedestrian access will not be affected.
Please note that penalty charge notices (PCN’s) will be applied to vehicles parked within the suspended areas during the works hours and/or vehicles relocated.
Due to the above we would urge all residents to ensure that their vehicles are moved from the suspended areas in order to avoid any delays to the works as well as incurring any charges.
If your vehicle is relocated please contact the LBC on 020 8726 6000 Ext 52816, who will provide you with an exact location of your vehicle."
We'll update more on the diversion route in due course.
Transport for London (TfL) consulted with residents and stakeholders in the summer of 2017 about proposals to changes to the double and single line red route on the A22 (Godstone Rd) from Foxley Hill Road to Old Barn Lane (at the Borough boundary to Whyteleafe).
They also proposed other works which included changes to bus stop facilities: improved zebra crossings; and changes to road layouts at some side road and designated parking areas. The RRA did submit our comments at the time, regarding these proposals.
Following careful consideration of the consultation responses received, TfL have decided to proceed with the scheme as proposed, with the some alterations. These works will commence in early 2019 and will run to 2020. Their full report is on this link
The RRA have raised with TfL about the poor road surface southbound on the Godstone Road, between the Kenley Memorial Hall and Waterbourne Way. This is about a 300 metre length.
We have been advised by TfL that they propose re-
The RRA have been corresponding with Croydon Council for a number of years now about the poor condition of the A2022 (Mitchley Ave and Rectory Park). The Council did try and get funding from TfL last year for re-
Since then the condition of Mitchley Ave in particular, has deteriorated even more, with many potholes, huge tyre depressions/ruts from buses and HGV's, and a general rough wearing surface in places.
We have received a number of written and verbal complaints from residents about the condition of this road surface.
We did also point out to the Council that although they resurfaced the bend on Mitchley Ave to Rectory Park (following pressure from the RRA -
We have also raised with the Council about the continuous damage by HGV's to the grass verge on the corner of Barn Crescent and Lower Barn Rd. Some of the latest damage was witnessed, and was caused by a Building Company lorry delivering to a house opposite the Barn Cres junction in LBR and these details have been passed onto the Council. We have suggested a more permanent solution is needed here and not just to keep laying type 1 sub base.
We will keep you updated with any response from the Council!
The resurfacing works to lay a better anti skid surface were completed overnight, (28/29 November 2017) on the bend to Rectory Park/Mitchley Ave. This is following extensive pressure from the RRA to Croydon Council, to do something at this location due to all the accidents (at least eight) since November 2016.
Hopefully this may now reduce the number of accidents on this bend, especially in the wet. Please let the RRA know if further accidents occur at this location and we will take it up with Croydon Council again.
There is now also a speed visor (displaying speeds above 30 mph), on the down section of the hill to Rectory Park, before the bend.
Another accident on 15/9/17, at the bend on Rectory Park/Mitchley Ave. This is at least eight accidents now since last November (we recently learnt about another one on 20 May 2017). The RRA have advised the Council, and the sooner they lay an anti skid surface the better (which the RRA have been asking for, for many months now). It might not solve the problem but it may help. Thanks to Lynne Dennis for the photo.
The RRA have been made aware of yet another accident on the bend of Rectory Park/Mitchley Ave at 6am on Sunday 30 July. We are told that two cars coming down the hill were involved and possibly the second car went into the back of the first car. The Police did attend. Yet again the road was wet, with heavy rain overnight Sat/Sun! This is now the sixth accident since November 2016, on this bend and all in the wet!
We have again written to the Council and made them aware of this latest accident and asked them when further works are to be done to make this section of road safe. Our e-
We were advised on 17 May, following a written question from Ward Cllr Tim Pollard to Cabinet member Cllr Stuart King and Stuart King replied;
”I have asked our engineers to consider the introduction of anti-
We have also raised with the Council about the following items/repairs that are required:
We will advise when we get a full reply!
Yet again there has been another accident on the bend of Rectory Park/Mitchley Ave on Sunday evening (30/4/17), when the road was again wet (red car in photo)!
We are told this is now the 5th accident in this vicinity since November 2016. Three accidents have been in the wet, with motorists coming down the hill and losing control on the bend. Two accidents have occurred on Mitchley Ave going towards the hill in Rectory Park because of parked vehicles near the bend (silver car in photo is one accident). Accidents close to the bend also seem to be happening more regularly because of parked vehicles on Mitchley Ave.
The RRA have had a lot of e-
The RRA have written to the Council again after this latest accident, to highlight the serious issues here (there have been numerous accidents on this bend and closeby over the years) and we hope they will do more road safety works soon, before a motorist, passenger, or a pedestrian is killed. Cllr Tim Pollard (Sanderstead Ward Cllr) has also now raised a Council question (2/5/17) about the safety on this bend with Transport Cabinet Member, Cllr Stuart King and asking him to intervene.
The Council have also told us they have not managed to secure funding from Tfl to resurface both Mitchley Ave and Rectory Park this year. So we are going to have to put up with all the ruts and rough road surfaces on these two stretches of road!!!
Photos below courtesy of Veronica Roadnight.
Yet another road traffic collision occurred on 16 November at 6.30am, in Mitchley Ave on the bend with Rectory Park
It was raining again at the time and most incidents seem to occur here, when raining. Yet again a vehicle has come down the hill of Rectory Park and lost control on the exit and taken out the lamp column (for the second time in 3 months) by the woodland about 75 metres after the bend.
Photograph above courtesy of Helen Leonard
Following this latest accident, the RRA have had extensive correspondence with two Council Officers since (copying in local Councillors and Cllr Stuart King the Labour Cabinet member responsible for Transport and Environment and Riddlesdown Collegiate). Cllr King has responded that he will take this up with the Director of Streets at his next briefing with him.
The RRA made a number of suggestions to Officers, which included improving the road signage, laying an anti skid road surface just before, on the bend and just after, installing an Armco barrier to protect pedestrians and additional chevron boards. Repositioning the lamp column damaged twice now, and additional road markings were another request. We also pointed about a number of other road defects locally.
The Council Officers have rejected virtually all our suggestions! They did say they have made a number of additional safety measures at this bend over the years.
However, Officers have said they will look to install another “SLOW” road marking just before the bend, and installing white marked dragons teeth on the road, to highlight the danger ahead, look at the signage, and check on the condition of the road markings. Something, but overall not a good result and the RRA will keep pressing the Council on this. In the meantime, if any other further incidents occur here, please post it on our Facebook page and with photos if possible (or e-
Regarding the speed camera further along in Mitchley Ave (near the shops) we have been told this is to be replaced soon. Safety cameras are controlled and maintained by the London Safety Camera Partnership (LSCP), which is made up of Transport for London (TfL), the Metropolitan Police and Her Majesty’s Courts Service (HMCS). The LSCP have informed Officers that the safety (speed) camera was removed following damage caused by vandalism, as well as all the road speed sensors being removed when the section of road by the camera was re-
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