REPORTS FROM THE RECORDER & ADVERTISING RATES
PLANNING ADVICE ON
USEFUL LOCAL INFORMATION & LINKS
(Things to do, join and help with)
AND ITS COMMON
PUBLIC TRANSPORT INFORMATION AND REPORTS
Train Services for Riddlesdown from Monday 6 July 2020
Information received from GTR that from 6 July 2020, the train service for Riddlesdown (RDD) will continue as a Saturday service for Southern trains; i.e. trains from RDD to London VIC at 06 and 36 mins past the hour. There is an additional Southern service at 06.36 hrs, then the normal timetable for a Saturday service from 07.06 hrs.
However there will be some more additional Thameslink services from RDD to Bedford via :LBG at 07.15, 07.45, and 08.15 hrs (Mon to Fri only).
Southern Trains to RDD from VIC depart at 20 and 50 mins past the hour.
Thameslink Trains to RDD from LBG (origin Bedford) depart at 17.09, 17.39 and 18.10hrs
Sundays will be the usual service.
Please check before travelling with the train operator and/or TfL, or consult the National Rail website for train times. The Gatwick Express will still not run a service.
The above times are shown in good faith. If you notice an error please let us know. The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Please travel by public transport only if your journey is essential. The wearing of a face mask is compulsory on all public transport.
For those residents who are not regular users of Riddlesdown Station -
On trains from East Grinstead, it is usually carriage 4 by the exit. Next stop is Sanderstead!
RIDDLESDOWN/LONDON/LUTON/BEDFORD TRAIN TIMES
Southern Rail and Thameslink trains to and from Riddlesdown with effect from Sunday 15 December 2019 until further notice
National Rail Key; RDD -
To London and/or Bedford from Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: All trains terminate at London Victoria, unless otherwise stated in brackets; 6.06, 06.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 06.35, 06.42(to LBG, STP, BDM), 07.06, 07.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 07.36, 07.45(to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.06, 08.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.36, 08.45(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.06, 09.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.36 and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until last train at 23.36.
Saturdays (To London Victoria only): 07.06, 07.36, and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until 23.36.
Sundays (To London Victoria only) 08.42, and then 12 and 42 mins past hour until 23.44.
To and from London Bridge and Bedford -
From London Victoria to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Times in brackets are the arrival times at Riddlesdown for departures on to Oxted & East Grinstead.
Weekdays: 05.20(05.49), 05.50(06.18), 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18), 07.20(07.48), 07.50(08.18), 08.20(08.48), 08.50(09.18), 09.20(09.48), and then 50(18) and 20(48) mins past the hour until 22.52(23.18), 23.22(23.48), 23.53(00.23 -
Saturdays: 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18) and then 20(48)and 50(18) mins past hour until 23.53(00.23 -
Sundays: 07.43(08.17), 08.51(09.17), 09.21(09.47), 09.51(10.17), and then 21(47) & 51(17) mins past hour until 22.51(23.17).
From Bedford (BDM) or Luton (LUT) via London St Pancras (STP) & London Bridge(LBG) to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays only: 15.49(LUT)(17.05); 16.06(BDM) at LBG 17.11(17.35); 16.32(BDM) at LBG 17.41(18.05); 17.21(LUT) at LBG 18.11(18.35); 17.28(BDM) at LBG 18.41(19.05); 17.56(BDM) at LBG 19.11(19.35).
From East Croydon to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: 05.41(49), 06.10(18), 06.40(48), 07.10(18), 07.40(48), then 10(18) and 40(48) mins past hour until 16.55(05), 17.10(18), 17.25(35), 17.40(48), 17.56(05), 18.10(18), 18.25(35), 18.40(48), 18.55(05), 19.10(18), 19.25(35), 19.40(48), then 10(18)mins and 40(48) mins past hour until 00.14(23 -
Saturdays: 06.40(06.48), 07.10(07.18) and then 40(48) and 10(18) mins past hour until 00.14(00.23) -
Sundays: 08.09(08.17), 09.09(17), 09.39(47), and then 09(17) and 39(47) mins past the hour until 23.09(17).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Southern Railway, Tfl or National Rail.
The above times are shown in good faith. If anyone notices any errors will you please contact the RRA. The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Please check before travelling with the train operator and/or Network Rail.
Passengers who must travel between East Grinstead/Uckfield and stations to London are being asked to check their journey plans over the next few weekends when Network Rail will undertake strengthening, repair and refurbishment work to the Oxted viaduct, over the A25.
The viaduct comprises eight arches carrying railway lines over the A25 road and the river Eden. Significant maintenance work is being undertaken, such as steel and masonry repairs, as well as replacement of walkways. The viaduct is currently covered in scaffold and netting.
This means rail lines will be closed on the following dates in August when train services will not run, with buses linking to Purley station.
This will be on;
Saturday 29 Sunday 30 and Monday 31 August (Bank Holiday weekend)-
Although rail replacement buses will be running to Purley Station -
Replacement buses will run between Purley and Hurst Green calling at Upper Warlingham and Oxted. A shuttle bus service will operate between Woldingham and Upper Warlingham. No rail replacement buses will serve Sanderstead, or Riddlesdown. Change at Purley or East Croydon for trains to/from London.
Passengers at or for Sanderstead Station should use local bus route 403 between Beechwood Road / Mayfield Road bus stop and South Croydon, or West Croydon station, or use Purley Oaks as an alternative station, which is 0.3 miles away. But please note, Purley Oaks does not have step free access. Please contact Southern’s assisted travel team on 0800 138 1016 should you need step free access.
Passengers using Riddlesdown will have to get the 412 bus service from Mitchley Ave, (Lower Barn Rd stop) near to Buttermere Gardens (or from the Riddlesdown Collegiate stop near Ingleboro Drive) to Purley town centre (Tesco stop). Passengers will need to check the time of the buses from the Lower Barn Rd stop going westbound to Purley. Alternatively walking (or driving) to Purley Station is another option. Purley station is approximately a 20 minute walk from Riddlesdown station.
The 403 bus route can also be used from Limpsfield Rd (either the 'All Saints Church' stop by the roundabout, or the 'Sanderstead Recreation Ground' stop, or the 'Sanderstead Methodist Church' stop by Mitchley Hill) to South Croydon, or West Croydon stations. East Croydon Station can be walked to from the Park Lane/Wellesley Rd stops.
Southern rail tickets will be accepted on both the 412 and 403 buses.
Riddlesdown has been served with a replacement rail bus service for decades when engineering works have taken place but GTR starting using the 412 bus as an alternative rail replacement service since the beginning of this year. Although passengers are currently being told to make essential rail travel only, we believe more passengers will use the rail service in due course at weekends.
If any resident may need more assistance, Southern have an established accessibility policy to support those with access needs. Their assisted travel team would be happy to discuss any assistance which may be required to help in a journey during engineering works. Full contact details are available here:
More information about the engineering works on this Southern Rail link
Click on the relevant date.
Further weekend work engineering dates will be advised by Network Rail soon.
National Rail Enquiries: Tel: 03457 48 49 50
Southern Customer Services: Tel: 03451 27 29 20 (07.00 -
Season ticket compensation scheme for Thameslink trains from Riddlesdown (Additional industry compensation); Posted 20/7/18
Delay Repay compensation -
From 23 March 2013, the privately owned and voluntarily run Bluebell Railway will be connected to the national rail system at East Grinstead, meaning that Riddlesdown residents can get on a train from Riddlesdown Station and travel from Riddlesdown to East Grinstead and then transfer onto the Bluebell Railway.
Further information and update reports: Link to Bluebell Railway
"I am writing with advance notice of temporary diversions for bus routes 403 and 412 in the South Croydon area for the next two Sundays, and for route 412 in the Sanderstead/ Riddlesdown/ Purley area between Monday 24 and Wednesday 26 August.
403 and 412 – on Sunday 9 August, 08:00 to 16:30
Contractors will be working at Selsdon Road up to the junction with Sussex Road on utility connections to nearby properties. To facilitate this work Selsdon Road will be closed to all traffic and buses will take the following diverted routes:
Route 403 towards Warlingham: from Park Lane, left Coombe Road, right South Park Hill Road, left Croham Road, ahead Croham Valley Road, bear right Farley Road, right Addington Road, left at roundabout – first exit Limpsfield Road to normal line of route
Route 403 towards West Croydon: from Limpsfield Road, right at roundabout – third exit Addington Road, left Farley Road, bear left Croham Valley Road, ahead Croham Road, right South Park Hill Road, left Coombe Lane, right Park Lane to normal line of route
Route 412 towards Purley: from Croydon High Street, left Coombe Road, right South Park Hill Road, left Croham Road, ahead Croham Valley Road, bear right Farley Road, ahead Old Farleigh Road to normal line of route
Route 412 towards West Croydon: from Addington Road at Selsdon crossroads, left Farley Road bear left Croham Valley Road, ahead Croham Road, right South Park Hill Road, left Coombe Lane, right Park Lane to normal line of route
We appreciate these diversion routes are lengthy. Unfortunately we are not able to provide single deck vehicles to cover more of the route on these Sundays. To reduce disruption, multiple contractors are working collaboratively to complete as much work as possible while the road is closed. This will reduce the need for further road closures. They will also work over two Sundays so we can maintain bus services for part of the weekend.
412 – Monday 24 to Wednesday 26 August at night 20:00 to 05:00
The London Borough of Croydon is resurfacing the road at Mitchley Avenue (the RRA will advise more on this soon on the section between Coombe Wood Hill and St James' Rd junctions) between the hours of 20:00 and 05:00. To facilitate this work Mitchley Avenue will be closed to all traffic and bus route 412 will be diverted as follows:
Route 412 towards West Croydon: from Godstone Road at Downs Court Road, ahead Godstone Road, left at roundabout second exit Hillbury Road, right Westhall Road, ahead Hillbury Road, left The Green, left Limpsfield Road, left at roundabout (first exit) Mitchley Hill, right Rectory Park to normal line of route
Route 412 toward Purley: from Rectory Park left Mitchley Hill, right at roundabout second exit Limpsfield Road, right The Green, left Hillbury Road, ahead Westhall Road, left Hillbury Road, right at roundabout (third exit) Godstone Road to normal line of route.
In addition to the above, we are planning to restart resurfacing work at Purley Cross, previously brought to a safe-
Work will restart from Sunday 23 August at night and will be coordinated with the resurfacing work at Mitchley Avenue. We will write separately to residents, businesses and stakeholders in the Purley area with further information about this work in due course.
Information from TfL 16/6/20
Return to front door boarding and capacity limits on London buses
TfL have advised that this link to the TfL website will show you which the present schedules by route and will also provide you with a list of buses that have reverted to front door loading and now require you to touch in.
Arriva advise that most of their remaining Croydon routes which have not be adapted will be adapted by the end of the week (19 June).
This should include routes 60, 64, 157, 166, 194, 198, 289, 250, 312, 412 & 466.
Route 412 is now running a Monday to Friday service on weekdays with buses running every 20 minutes during the day. A normal service is running on Saturdays and Sundays.
Please refer to the timetable on this link
The 612 school service is not running until further notice.
Local Bus Route and Frequency
Bus 412 (Arriva) -
The permanent changes happened in central Croydon to the 412 bus route on Saturday 2 November 2019, with the bus service no longer running between Katharine Street and West Croydon, (including the Whitgift Centre stops in Wellesley Rd) and vice versa.
As Michelle Wildish from TfL said at the RRA AGM in May, they are constantly reviewing all bus services in London. The way people travel around London is constantly changing and over the past five years usage of route 412 has dropped by 12 per cent. Unfortunately, it is the usual story -
Weekdays & Saturdays: Daytime; 20 mins, Evenings; 30 mins.
Frequency Sundays; 30 mins.
Since the re-
In summary the 412 Service is;
From Croydon, the 412 stands and starts in Katharine Street (by Queen’s Gardens -
From Purley, the service is nearly in reverse direction starting from Purley Downlands Precint, (Brighton Rd) then left into Godstone Rd, Down Court Rd and terminates at the bus stand in Katharine Street, Croydon (by Queen’s Gardens).
The 412 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link:
612 (School Bus Service ONLY)
The 612 only runs on school days (Mon to Fri) and is 2 services in the morning (Selsdon to Wallington) and 2 services in the afternoon (Wallington to Selsdon).
The 612 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link
403 Bus route
For those close enough in Riddlesdown to be able to get to the Limpsfield Rd, the 403 is an alternative route which starts at Sainsbury's in Warlingham (travels via Limpsfeld Rd, Sanderstead) and terminates at the West Croydon Bus Station, and then vice versa from West Croydon Bus Station to Warlingham.
The 403 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link:
Planning a Journey
To Plan a bus, train, tram, tube, bike or walking journey from Riddlesdown, follow this link to the Tfl website and insert “Riddlesdown” in the “From” box. Link
London Bus Route Maps Link
Arriva London Tel 020 8271 0101 (0800-
(Sources: Trains: GTR/Southern Railway/Thameslink; Buses: Transport for London (TfL).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Transport for London (TfL) travel on the trams, buses, Docklands light railway (DLR) and London overground rail line
Trying to find the cheapest fare on public transport in London can be a complex issue!
For travel and the best fare method to use on the TfL buses, tram, DLR and the London Overground rail line (the nearest rail station is West Croydon) then click on the link below.
Note all TfL buses in London are now cash free.
Train tickets and fares from Riddlesdown Station
Riddlesdown Station is in London Zone 6 and is served by Southern and Thameslink trains which both come under the GTR (Govia Thameslink Railway) franchise.
Upper Warlingham (although outside of the London Boroughs) is the last rail station in Zone 6 on our East Grinstead rail line.
For travel on Southern Rail trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase.
For travel on Thameslink trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase
National Rail also offer a ticket fare check/advance purchase for all rail franchises nationwide.
Since September 2014 you are able to use contactless cards on the tube, tram, DLR, London Overground and most National Rail services in London.
Further details on this TfL link
Generally contactless cards and Oyster are the cheapest fares in London and the fares are capped. More information on this TfL link
Unfortunately the ticket office at Riddlesdown Station – with the ticket clerk required to sell the best value ticket at each transaction is not open very often these days. Ticket buying can now be done at a ticket vending machine (TVM) – which also allows the collection of tickets bought on line. Riddlesdown has two TVM’s, one on each platform. When it is used to select tickets many options are available. However it maybe be best to purchase the ticket on line first and collect it from the TVM at Riddlesdown. You then have the option of seeing all the fares available structure. Buying a ticket for a child(ren) maybe best done this way.
This Pass is supplied by the London Councils (all the London Boroughs and City of London) to residents of London.
There are two types of Freedom Pass.
1. The Disabled Pass is available to anybody with a qualifying disability (see website for full list) who lives in a London Borough and is part of the National disability scheme.
2. The Older Persons Freedom Pass is available to residents of a London Borough who have reached the state pension age.
Validity London :
More information and how to apply;
60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme:
The former London Mayor, Boris Johnson, introduced a new 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard from 1 November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a London Freedom Pass. The pass will have the same validity as a Freedom Pass. Further details from the Tfl website or Tfl application page
Motorists Beware! After about 6 years, the damaged speed camera (30 mph) virtually opposite the shops in Mitchley Ave has now been replaced. It. has been pointing skyward for the last 4 months (after some initial works in January), but has been receiving attention this week. We believe, although not yet confirmed by TfL, that it may now be operational.
The RRA were told by a resident that the previous camera was damaged by part of a mobile home on a low loader vehicle.
Deferred until 2021
It has has been advertised that the planned road closure, from Tuesday 26 May, of the Godstone Rd (A22) near to the Tesco store by SES Water for water a new water main, has now been deferred again, but this time until 2021.
SES advise on their website;
"Many parties were involved in the planning and authorisation of these essential works and we received the final confirmation of go ahead on Friday 15 May, following which we wrote to over 3,000 customers to explain the implications. A few days later, support from some key parties was unfortunately retracted meaning that we are no longer in a position to carry out the work this year.
Please be assured that this project is very important to us and we will write to customers and update this page with more information when we have more details around the revised timescale next year."
We understand Croydon Council will be pushing for the works to be carried out during the 6 week school summer holiday next year, after consultations have been undertaken with all agencies.
These works have to be done at some time and in our view this is just delaying the inevitable until next year, when traffic levels will probably be much higher than at present!
SES have more information on their website
Update on local roadworks from Croydon Council -
To facilitate a new service connection outside number 80, SGN will be using two way temporary signals from 10th to 18th August.
As part of SGN mandatory gas replacement scheme there continues to be 2 way or multi way signals along Coulson Road. It is planned to commence the renewal of the gas service pipes as from the 24.8.2020 this follows agreement with SGN for entry into residential properties on condition that strict observance of the social-
Tennison Close which is the final phase of work on Coulsdon Road is provisionally scheduled to commence on the 10th August 2020, this will be subject to the progress being made with the service renewal on the Coulsdon Road – Tollers Lane programme.
Rydons Lane is the last phase of these two projects. Due to the narrowness of the road a traffic order has been applied for to close the road. This work is scheduled to commence on 24th August and expected to be completed in 6 weeks. All properties to be visited for discussions with residents for access to carry out the renewal of their gas service pipe.
With the continued road closure at its junction with Coulsdon Road this has allowed for considerable progress to be made. All the gas service pipes will be renewed and the permanent re-
Work has commenced on the final section of open trenching to the junction with Kendra Hall Road, all service pipes have been laid from the replacement main and laid commissioned to a capped end in the footway / verge. The permanent reinstatement of the carriageway is up to date. The outstanding completion of the service pipes renewal (from the footway / verge) into the residential properties has yet to be confirmed, as and when this takes place, but it is hoped to be before the schools go back in September. The works will be not need further incursion into the carriageway
St Augustines Avenue
As part of SGN mandatory gas mains replacement scheme, St Augustine’s Avenue will reopen on Monday 3rd August
SGN will be starting a gas mains replacement scheme from its junction with Mill Lane to Waddon Court Road from 22nd July. For the first phase Waddon Road will be closed at its junction with Purley Way and Purley Way and Mill Lane will be controlled with three way signals. This phase is expected to be completed on 5th August although the whole scheme is expected to take 10 weeks. All remaining phases will be carried out without the further use of temporary traffic signals.
SGN will be starting a gas mains replacement scheme in Purley Way, from its junction with Mill Lane to Waddon Court Road, from 22nd July. For the first phase Waddon Road will be closed at its junction with Purley Way and Purley Way. This is expected to be reopened on 5th August.
Old Lodge Lane/Hayes Lane
To facilitate gas mains replacement work SGN will be closing the junction of Hayes Lane and Old Lodge Lane from 27th July to 5th August. Whilst the restriction is in force the diversion routes for traffic will be via Hayes Lane, Park Road, A22, and Burntwood Lane (and vice versa) or via Old Lodge Lane, A23, and A22
Brighton Road, Purley
Thames Water are working on a water leak outside The Pear Tree for which they are using two way temporary signals. They have been instructed to manually control the lights at peak times. This work should be completed by 5th August
Sussex Road will be closed on two consecutive Sunday 2nd and 9th August to facilitate a new gas connection. Whilst the closure is in place the diversion routes for traffic will be via Moreton Road, Croham Road, Croham Manor Road and Selsdon Road and vice versa, or via Sussex Road and
Thames Water will be making use of buses being on diversion to carry out a new service connection at the northside junction with Sussex Road. They will be using multi way signals to facilitate the repair on Sunday 2nd August
SGN will be using 2 way temporary signals to facilitate their work for a new service connection 3rd to 10th August. The signals will be manually controlled at peak times to ease traffic flows
To facilitate an urgent repir on a link box UKPN will be using two way temporary signals near the junction with Tennison Close from 4th to 7th August
Thames Water will be using 4 way temporary signals at the junction of Waddon Road/Waddon New Road/Epsom Road from, 8pm to 5am each evening, from 10th to 14th August to facilitate the laying of a new service pipe.
SGN will be starting a gas mains replacement scheme from its junction with St Peters Road to Drovers Road from 3rd August to 2nd September. To facilitate these works there will be three way lights on the roundabout and Croham Road will be one way from the roundabout to St Peters Street
Brighton Road, Coulsdon
SESW will be making Brighton Road one way southbound between its junctions with Farthing Way and The Avenue from 17th to 20th August. The diversion for displaced traffic will be via Farthing Way and Brighton Road, or via Smitham Downs Road, Woodcote Grove Road and Brighton Road,
To facilitate a new service connection SGN will be using 2 way signals to control the traffic, outside number 51, from 17th to 24th August
Selsdon Road Bridge
To carry out enabling work for the forthcoming bridge replacement Selsdon Road will be closed on Sunday 6th September, from 7am to 7pm, between its southernmost junction with Sussex Road and its junction with Chelsham Road. The diversion route for traffic will be via St Peter’s Road, Coombe Road, South Park Hill Road, Croham Road and Addington Road
Transport for London (TfL) consulted with residents and stakeholders in the summer of 2017 about proposals to changes to the double and single line red route on the A22 (Godstone Rd) from Foxley Hill Road to Old Barn Lane (at the Borough boundary to Whyteleafe).
They also proposed other works which included changes to bus stop facilities: improved zebra crossings; and changes to road layouts at some side road and designated parking areas. The RRA did submit our comments at the time, regarding these proposals.
Following careful consideration of the consultation responses received, TfL have decided to proceed with the scheme as proposed, with the some alterations. These works will commence in early 2019 and will run to 2020. Their full report is on this link
The RRA understand there have been some design and land ownership issues since the above consultation and this is the reason for the delay. These works are due to commence at sometime in 2020. But TfL have advised recently that it is still not possible to confirm a start date as yet, as they need to take into account a number of factors, such as roadworks elsewhere, planned or unplanned via Surrey County Council, and the London Boroughs of Croydon and Sutton. As we are also in extraordinary times with coronavirus they also need to take into account staff availability. We will update more in due course.
The resurfacing works to lay a better anti skid surface were completed overnight, (28/29 November 2017) on the bend to Rectory Park/Mitchley Ave. This is following extensive pressure from the RRA to Croydon Council, to do something at this location due to all the accidents (at least eight) since November 2016.
Hopefully this may now reduce the number of accidents on this bend, especially in the wet. Please let the RRA know if further accidents occur at this location and we will take it up with Croydon Council again.
Some people have been seen riding E-
The Govt have relaxed the law from 4 July 2020 (1 year trial) and made it legal to ride on the road but only if the E-
You cannot as yet ride your own E-
There is also a link to the BBC website giving more advice.
This is guidance/advice below (which as been passed to us by the the local SNT) has been given to Met Police Officers:
"You will have seen a number of articles in the media over the last few weeks regarding E-
Policing style: The approach from the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) is to support the government trial of this new mode of transport. There has been a significant amount of media information released, some of which is not accurate, and this may have led some sections of the public to believe that the use of E-
Legal considerations: Only E-
Enforcement: Guidance issued under Operation Hornet will continue, allowing officers to give a warning to users that are riding under the belief that they are legal. In general the intent will be to Educate, Engage, and Inform.
With Enforcement options available when the riding combined with other aggravating factors is present.
Please be aware that if you have a white circle (similar to the one in the photo) painted on the footway outside your property and it is on a newly laid bit of bitmac then it is nothing to be concerned about.
Croydon Council’s Highways Dept have confirmed, following enquires elsewhere that this is being done on their instructions.
Trenchright [their coring contractor] are due to start coring next month so this type of enquiry will probably keep coming in over the next 2-
Trechright will later take a core sample to check the bitmac used is up to an acceptable standard. They then infill the small hole with bitmac.They will probably also take a photograph of the paint mark and the property so as to prove beyond doubt where the proposed core site is.