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Timetable Changes to Southern Rail (& Thameslink) from Monday 7 September 2020
Revised timetable London/East Grinstead from from 7/9/20 -
For those residents who are not regular users of Riddlesdown Station -
On trains from East Grinstead, it is usually carriage 4 by the exit. Next stop is Sanderstead!
RIDDLESDOWN/LONDON/LUTON/BEDFORD TRAIN TIMES
Southern Rail and Thameslink trains to and from Riddlesdown
DUE TO CORONA VIRUS THIS TIMETABLE BELOW IS NOT FULLY OPERATIONAL.
Please use; Revised timetable London/East Grinstead from from 7/9/20 -
and scroll down to K
National Rail Key; RDD -
To London and/or Bedford from Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: All trains terminate at London Victoria, unless otherwise stated in brackets; 6.06, 06.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 06.35, 06.42(to LBG, STP, BDM), 07.06, 07.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 07.36, 07.45(to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.06, 08.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.36, 08.45(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.06, 09.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.36 and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until last train at 23.36.
Saturdays (To London Victoria only): 07.06, 07.36, and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until 23.36.
Sundays (To London Victoria only) 08.42, and then 12 and 42 mins past hour until 23.44.
To and from London Bridge and Bedford -
From London Victoria to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Times in brackets are the arrival times at Riddlesdown for departures on to Oxted & East Grinstead.
Weekdays: 05.20(05.49), 05.50(06.18), 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18), 07.20(07.48), 07.50(08.18), 08.20(08.48), 08.50(09.18), 09.20(09.48), and then 50(18) and 20(48) mins past the hour until 22.52(23.18), 23.22(23.48), 23.53(00.23 -
Saturdays: 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18) and then 20(48)and 50(18) mins past hour until 23.53(00.23 -
Sundays: 07.43(08.17), 08.51(09.17), 09.21(09.47), 09.51(10.17), and then 21(47) & 51(17) mins past hour until 22.51(23.17).
From Bedford (BDM) or Luton (LUT) via London St Pancras (STP) & London Bridge(LBG) to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays only: 15.49(LUT)(17.05); 16.06(BDM) at LBG 17.11(17.35); 16.32(BDM) at LBG 17.41(18.05); 17.21(LUT) at LBG 18.11(18.35); 17.28(BDM) at LBG 18.41(19.05); 17.56(BDM) at LBG 19.11(19.35).
From East Croydon to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: 05.41(49), 06.10(18), 06.40(48), 07.10(18), 07.40(48), then 10(18) and 40(48) mins past hour until 16.55(05), 17.10(18), 17.25(35), 17.40(48), 17.56(05), 18.10(18), 18.25(35), 18.40(48), 18.55(05), 19.10(18), 19.25(35), 19.40(48), then 10(18)mins and 40(48) mins past hour until 00.14(23 -
Saturdays: 06.40(06.48), 07.10(07.18) and then 40(48) and 10(18) mins past hour until 00.14(00.23) -
Sundays: 08.09(08.17), 09.09(17), 09.39(47), and then 09(17) and 39(47) mins past the hour until 23.09(17).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Southern Railway, Tfl or National Rail.
The above times are shown in good faith. If anyone notices any errors will you please contact the RRA. The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Please check before travelling with the train operator and/or Network Rail.
Passengers who travel between East Grinstead/Uckfield and stations to London are being asked to check their journey plans over the next few weekends when Network Rail will undertake strengthening, repair and refurbishment work to the Oxted viaduct, over the A25.
The viaduct comprises eight arches carrying railway lines over the A25 road and the river Eden. Significant maintenance work is being undertaken, such as steel and masonry repairs, as well as replacement of walkways. The viaduct is currently covered in scaffold and netting.
This means rail lines will be closed for some dates when train services will not run, with buses linking to Purley station.
Currently no further dates have been announced by Network Rail.
Although rail replacement buses will be running to Purley Station -
Replacement buses will run between Purley and Hurst Green calling at Upper Warlingham and Oxted. A shuttle bus service will operate between Woldingham and Upper Warlingham. No rail replacement buses will serve Sanderstead, or Riddlesdown. Change at Purley or East Croydon for trains to/from London.
Passengers at or for Sanderstead Station should use local bus route 403 between Beechwood Road / Mayfield Road bus stop and South Croydon, or West Croydon station, or use Purley Oaks as an alternative station, which is 0.3 miles away. But please note, Purley Oaks does not have step free access. Please contact Southern’s assisted travel team on 0800 138 1016 should you need step free access.
Passengers using Riddlesdown will have to get the 412 bus service from Mitchley Ave, (Lower Barn Rd stop) near to Buttermere Gardens (or from the Riddlesdown Collegiate stop near Ingleboro Drive) to Purley town centre (Tesco stop). Passengers will need to check the time of the buses from the Lower Barn Rd stop going westbound to Purley. Alternatively walking (or driving) to Purley Station is another option. Purley station is approximately a 20 minute walk from Riddlesdown station.
The 403 bus route can also be used from Limpsfield Rd (either the 'All Saints Church' stop by the roundabout, or the 'Sanderstead Recreation Ground' stop, or the 'Sanderstead Methodist Church' stop by Mitchley Hill) to South Croydon, or West Croydon stations. East Croydon Station can be walked to from the Park Lane/Wellesley Rd stops.
Southern rail tickets will be accepted on both the 412 and 403 buses.
Riddlesdown has been served with a replacement rail bus service for decades when engineering works have taken place but GTR starting using the 412 bus as an alternative rail replacement service since the beginning of this year. Although passengers are currently being told to make essential rail travel only, we believe more passengers will use the rail service in due course at weekends.
If any resident may need more assistance, Southern have an established accessibility policy to support those with access needs. Their assisted travel team would be happy to discuss any assistance which may be required to help in a journey during engineering works. Full contact details are available here:
More information about the engineering works on this Southern Rail link
Click on the relevant date.
Further weekend work engineering dates will be advised by Network Rail soon.
National Rail Enquiries: Tel: 03457 48 49 50
Southern Customer Services: Tel: 03451 27 29 20 (07.00 -
Season ticket compensation scheme for Thameslink trains from Riddlesdown (Additional industry compensation); Posted 20/7/18
Delay Repay compensation -
From 23 March 2013, the privately owned and voluntarily run Bluebell Railway will be connected to the national rail system at East Grinstead, meaning that Riddlesdown residents can get on a train from Riddlesdown Station and travel from Riddlesdown to East Grinstead and then transfer onto the Bluebell Railway.
Further information and update reports: Link to Bluebell Railway
Information from TfL effective from 1/9/20
"Update on our school travel plans;
I am writing to update you on our transport plans for the return of schools in September.
We are asking schools and parents to encourage children to travel to school by walking, cycling or scooting wherever possible. We are also planning to make important changes to the bus network for those who cannot do so.
From 1 September we’re planning to:
Add over 230 extra buses to the network to bolster some of the busiest low-
In addition, designate some existing regular buses as School Services, which would be prioritised for school travel and would operate at full seated capacity, as is permitted by Government guidelines for school bus services. Signs would clearly indicate that these are
School Services and they are planned to operate on:
Around half of all buses during school travel times on certain high-
All the extra buses we’re adding to lower-
All buses on our existing school services
Our School Services would help free up non-
Schoolchildren travelling without adults should travel on the designated school services where these are provided, to help provide space for other customers on regular services. Customers who are not schoolchildren but who need to travel at school travel times are strongly encouraged to use the regular services. Regular services will continue to have lower capacity limits to support social distancing, in line with Government guidelines.
Customers aged 11 and over are required to wear a face covering when using public transport services (including our school services) or stations, or taxi and private hire services, unless they are exempt on health or equality grounds. We advise anyone exempt from wearing a face covering to carry an exemption card. For more details please see https://tfl.gov.uk/campaign/face-
The planned service changes are proposed to remain in place until at least the end of October, although could be subject to change.
We continually review how our network is operating and every September, as children start at new schools or travel from their new homes back to their old schools, we adjust services as far as possible to ensure they reflect new and changing travel patterns. This September comes, of course, with unique challenges posed by the coronavirus pandemic. We ask everyone in London to bear with us while these significant planned changes bed down and as we do everything we can to ensure children get to school safely and on time.
You can help us by communicating these changes to your networks as widely as possible.
Please regularly check tfl.gov.uk/reopeningeducation for the latest information on our services and safer travel guidance -
Please note that there will be no changes to fares and ticketing for children in September. You may be aware that the Government has asked us to temporarily suspend free travel for 11-
I hope this information is helpful.
Engagement officer -
Local Bus Route and Frequency
Bus 412 (Arriva) -
The permanent changes happened in central Croydon to the 412 bus route on Saturday 2 November 2019, with the bus service no longer running between Katharine Street and West Croydon, (including the Whitgift Centre stops in Wellesley Rd) and vice versa.
As Michelle Wildish from TfL said at the RRA AGM in May, they are constantly reviewing all bus services in London. The way people travel around London is constantly changing and over the past five years usage of route 412 has dropped by 12 per cent. Unfortunately, it is the usual story -
Weekdays & Saturdays: Daytime; 20 mins, Evenings; 30 mins.
Frequency Sundays; 30 mins.
Since the re-
In summary the 412 Service is;
From Croydon, the 412 stands and starts in Katharine Street (by Queen’s Gardens -
From Purley, the service is nearly in reverse direction starting from Purley Downlands Precint, (Brighton Rd) then left into Godstone Rd, Down Court Rd and terminates at the bus stand in Katharine Street, Croydon (by Queen’s Gardens).
The 412 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link:
612 (School Bus Service ONLY)
The 612 only runs on school days (Mon to Fri) and is 2 services in the morning (Selsdon to Wallington) and 2 services in the afternoon (Wallington to Selsdon).
The 612 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link
403 Bus route
For those close enough in Riddlesdown to be able to get to the Limpsfield Rd, the 403 is an alternative route which starts at Sainsbury's in Warlingham (travels via Limpsfeld Rd, Sanderstead) and terminates at the West Croydon Bus Station, and then vice versa from West Croydon Bus Station to Warlingham.
The 403 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link:
Planning a Journey
To Plan a bus, train, tram, tube, bike or walking journey from Riddlesdown, follow this link to the Tfl website and insert “Riddlesdown” in the “From” box. Link
London Bus Route Maps Link
Arriva London Tel 020 8271 0101 (0800-
(Sources: Trains: GTR/Southern Railway/Thameslink; Buses: Transport for London (TfL).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Transport for London (TfL) travel on the trams, buses, Docklands light railway (DLR) and London overground rail line
Trying to find the cheapest fare on public transport in London can be a complex issue!
For travel and the best fare method to use on the TfL buses, tram, DLR and the London Overground rail line (the nearest rail station is West Croydon) then click on the link below.
Note all TfL buses in London are now cash free.
Train tickets and fares from Riddlesdown Station
Riddlesdown Station is in London Zone 6 and is served by Southern and Thameslink trains which both come under the GTR (Govia Thameslink Railway) franchise.
Upper Warlingham (although outside of the London Boroughs) is the last rail station in Zone 6 on our East Grinstead rail line.
For travel on Southern Rail trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase.
For travel on Thameslink trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase
National Rail also offer a ticket fare check/advance purchase for all rail franchises nationwide.
Since September 2014 you are able to use contactless cards on the tube, tram, DLR, London Overground and most National Rail services in London.
Further details on this TfL link
Generally contactless cards and Oyster are the cheapest fares in London and the fares are capped. More information on this TfL link
Unfortunately the ticket office at Riddlesdown Station – with the ticket clerk required to sell the best value ticket at each transaction is not open very often these days. Ticket buying can now be done at a ticket vending machine (TVM) – which also allows the collection of tickets bought on line. Riddlesdown has two TVM’s, one on each platform. When it is used to select tickets many options are available. However it maybe be best to purchase the ticket on line first and collect it from the TVM at Riddlesdown. You then have the option of seeing all the fares available structure. Buying a ticket for a child(ren) maybe best done this way.
This Pass is supplied by the London Councils (all the London Boroughs and City of London) to residents of London.
There are two types of Freedom Pass.
1. The Disabled Pass is available to anybody with a qualifying disability (see website for full list) who lives in a London Borough and is part of the National disability scheme.
2. The Older Persons Freedom Pass is available to residents of a London Borough who have reached the state pension age.
Validity London :
More information and how to apply;
60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme:
The former London Mayor, Boris Johnson, introduced a new 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard from 1 November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a London Freedom Pass. The pass will have the same validity as a Freedom Pass. Further details from the Tfl website or Tfl application page
Information from TfL
"I am writing to let you know that from Sunday 23 August we are restarting essential road maintenance at Purley Cross.
Work will take place on the A22 and A23 Purley Road between its junctions with Brighton Road, Banstead Road, Russell Hill Road, High Street, Whytecliffe Road South and the approach to A22 Godstone Road. This work began in March but was brought to a safe stop due to the pandemic.
To reduce disruption this work will take place at night and is split into phases to enable the road to be resurfaced in sections and to allow some parts of the junction to remain open.
Our updated work programme is as follows: (see photo below)
Work will not take place on Saturday nights.
We will make every effort to finish the works on time, although poor weather conditions or other unforeseen events may mean we need to reschedule at short notice.
Temporary changes to the local road network
Please be aware that during the above times local road closures will be required, and access from side roads onto Purley Way and into Purley Cross will be restricted.
This will include A23/A235 Brighton Road and A22 Purley Road at Purley Cross. Local access will be maintained for residents and businesses on Banstead Road and Russell Hill Parade. For local access only, traffic marshals will be stationed to assist.
As agreed with the London Borough of Croydon, a clearly signed diversion route will be in place each night for all road users.
Noisy works will be completed by midnight to reduce disturbance to residents. Some vehicle noise will be present through the night, including vehicle reversing beepers, as these are a legal requirement for larger vehicles at work sites.
Please be aware local bus services will be affected by these works and bus stops may temporarily close or be located nearby. This includes routes 60, 127, 166, 289, 405, 407, 412, 455, 466 and N68. Please plan ahead and allow plenty of time when travelling.
Pedestrian and cyclist access
Cycle routes and pedestrian crossings will remain open wherever possible, although some temporary closures will apply. There will be clear signage in place to direct cyclists and pedestrians to alternative routes. Pedestrian access to properties will be maintained at all times.
Find out more
This work forms part of our programme to build safer, more reliable road network across London. Visit tfl.gov.uk/roads for more information.
We apologise in advance for any inconvenience caused during this essential maintenance work.
Engagement officer | Local Communities & Partnerships | City Planning; TfL"
Motorists Beware! After about 6 years, the damaged speed camera (30 mph) virtually opposite the shops in Mitchley Ave has now been replaced. It. has been pointing skyward for the last 4 months (after some initial works in January), but has been receiving attention this week. We believe, although not yet confirmed by TfL, that it may now be operational.
The RRA were told by a resident that the previous camera was damaged by part of a mobile home on a low loader vehicle.
Deferred until 2021
It has has been advertised that the planned road closure, from Tuesday 26 May, of the Godstone Rd (A22) near to the Tesco store by SES Water for water a new water main, has now been deferred again, but this time until 2021.
We understand Croydon Council will be pushing for the works to be carried out during the 6 week school summer holiday next year, after consultations have been undertaken with all agencies.
These works have to be done at some time and in our view this is just delaying the inevitable until next year, when traffic levels will probably be much higher than at present!
SES have more information on their website
Update on local roadworks from Croydon Council -
As part of SGN mandatory gas replacement scheme there continues to be 2 way or multi way signals along Coulson Road. It is planned to commence the renewal of the gas service pipes as from the 24.8.2020 this follows agreement with SGN for entry into residential properties on condition that strict observance of the social-
All SGN gas mains replacement mains have been laid from the replacement main and laid commissioned to a capped end in the footway / verge. The permanent reinstatement of the carriageway is up to date. The outstanding completion of the service pipes renewal (from the footway / verge) into the residential properties has yet to be confirmed.
SGN has started a gas mains replacement scheme from its junction with Mill Lane to Waddon Court Road from 22nd July and is expected expected to take 10 weeks. The next phase of this work is in Alton Road and Waddon Court Road using multiway signals.
Lodge Avenue at its junction with Purley Way remains closed for a site compound until end of September
Godson Road at its junction with Purley Way will be closed from 7th September for approximately 4 weeks.
To facilitate a crane operation the road will be closed at its junction with Downs Court Road Selcroft Road from 5th until 8th October. The diversion for displaced traffic will be via Oakwood Avenue.
Transport for London (TfL) consulted with residents and stakeholders in the summer of 2017 about proposals to changes to the double and single line red route on the A22 (Godstone Rd) from Foxley Hill Road to Old Barn Lane (at the Borough boundary to Whyteleafe).
They also proposed other works which included changes to bus stop facilities: improved zebra crossings; and changes to road layouts at some side road and designated parking areas. The RRA did submit our comments at the time, regarding these proposals.
Following careful consideration of the consultation responses received, TfL have decided to proceed with the scheme as proposed, with the some alterations. These works will commence in early 2019 and will run to 2020. Their full report is on this link
The RRA understand there have been some design and land ownership issues since the above consultation and this is the reason for the delay. These works are due to commence at sometime in 2020. But TfL have advised recently that it is still not possible to confirm a start date as yet, as they need to take into account a number of factors, such as roadworks elsewhere, planned or unplanned via Surrey County Council, and the London Boroughs of Croydon and Sutton. As we are also in extraordinary times with coronavirus they also need to take into account staff availability. We will update more in due course.
The resurfacing works to lay a better anti skid surface were completed overnight, (28/29 November 2017) on the bend to Rectory Park/Mitchley Ave. This is following extensive pressure from the RRA to Croydon Council, to do something at this location due to all the accidents (at least eight) since November 2016.
Hopefully this may now reduce the number of accidents on this bend, especially in the wet. Please let the RRA know if further accidents occur at this location and we will take it up with Croydon Council again.
Some people have been seen riding E-
The Govt have relaxed the law from 4 July 2020 (1 year trial) and made it legal to ride on the road but only if the E-
You cannot as yet ride your own E-
There is also a link to the BBC website giving more advice.
This is guidance/advice below (which as been passed to us by the the local SNT) has been given to Met Police Officers:
"You will have seen a number of articles in the media over the last few weeks regarding E-
Policing style: The approach from the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) is to support the government trial of this new mode of transport. There has been a significant amount of media information released, some of which is not accurate, and this may have led some sections of the public to believe that the use of E-
Legal considerations: Only E-
Enforcement: Guidance issued under Operation Hornet will continue, allowing officers to give a warning to users that are riding under the belief that they are legal. In general the intent will be to Educate, Engage, and Inform.
With Enforcement options available when the riding combined with other aggravating factors is present.