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PUBLIC TRANSPORT INFORMATION AND REPORTS


RAIL, BUS, METHODS OF PAYMENTS AND ROADS


RAIL

RIDDLESDOWN STATION IS IN LONDON TRAVELCARD ZONE 6. UPPER WARLINGHAM IS ALSO IN ZONE 6 AND IS THE LAST STATION ON THIS LINE, WITHIN THE LONDON ZONES 1 to 6.


For those residents who are not regular users of Riddlesdown Station - Southern and Thameslink do at times run trains with 10 to 12 carriages. To be sure of getting off at Riddlesdown (from London), ensure you are in carriages 1 to 9, because these trains are longer than the platform and the doors on carriages 10 to 12 will not open. Next stop is Upper Warlingham! Carriage 6 is usually by the exit at Riddlesdown on trains from London.

On trains from East Grinstead, it is usually carriage 4 by the exit. Next stop is Sanderstead!


RAIL TIMETABLES

RIDDLESDOWN/LONDON/LUTON/BEDFORD TRAIN TIMES

Southern Rail and Thameslink trains to and from Riddlesdown with effect from Sunday 15 December 2019 until 16 May 2020

National Rail Key; RDD - Riddlesdown; VIC - London Victoria; LBG - London Bridge; STP - London St Pancras; BDM - Bedford; ECR - East Croydon; LUT - Luton; OXT - Oxted; EGR - East Grinstead.


To London and/or Bedford from Riddlesdown;

Weekdays: All trains terminate at London Victoria, unless otherwise stated in brackets; 6.06, 06.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 06.35, 06.42(to LBG, STP, BDM), 07.06, 07.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 07.36, 07.45(to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.06, 08.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.36, 08.45(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.06, 09.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.36 and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until last train at 23.36.

Saturdays (To London Victoria only): 07.06, 07.36, and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until 23.36.

Sundays (To London Victoria only) 08.42, and then 12 and 42 mins past hour until 23.44.


To and from London Bridge and Bedford - No direct services Saturdays & Sundays.


From London Victoria to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;

Times in brackets are the arrival times at Riddlesdown for departures on to Oxted & East Grinstead.

Weekdays: 05.20(05.49), 05.50(06.18), 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18), 07.20(07.48), 07.50(08.18), 08.20(08.48), 08.50(09.18), 09.20(09.48), and then 50(18) and 20(48) mins past the hour until 22.52(23.18), 23.22(23.48), 23.53(00.23 - to Oxted only).

Saturdays: 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18) and then 20(48)and 50(18) mins past hour until 23.53(00.23 - to Oxted only).

Sundays: 07.43(08.17), 08.51(09.17), 09.21(09.47), 09.51(10.17), and then 21(47) & 51(17) mins past hour until 22.51(23.17).


From Bedford (BDM) or Luton (LUT) via London St Pancras (STP) & London Bridge(LBG) to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;

Weekdays only: 15.49(LUT)(17.05); 16.06(BDM) at LBG 17.11(17.35); 16.32(BDM) at LBG 17.41(18.05); 17.21(LUT) at LBG 18.11(18.35); 17.28(BDM) at LBG 18.41(19.05); 17.56(BDM) at LBG 19.11(19.35).


From East Croydon to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;

Weekdays: 05.41(49), 06.10(18), 06.40(48), 07.10(18), 07.40(48), then 10(18) and 40(48) mins past hour until 16.55(05), 17.10(18), 17.25(35), 17.40(48), 17.56(05), 18.10(18), 18.25(35), 18.40(48), 18.55(05), 19.10(18), 19.25(35), 19.40(48), then 10(18)mins and 40(48) mins past hour until 00.14(23 - to Oxted only).

Saturdays: 06.40(06.48), 07.10(07.18) and then 40(48) and 10(18) mins past hour until 00.14(00.23) - to Oxted only).

Sundays: 08.09(08.17), 09.09(17), 09.39(47), and then 09(17) and 39(47) mins past the hour until 23.09(17).


Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Southern Railway, Tfl or National Rail.

The above times are shown in good faith. If anyone notices any errors will you please contact the RRA. The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.


Please check before travelling with the train operator and/or Network Rail.


FOR FULL TIMETABLES FOLLOW THESE LINKS


The current Riddlesdown Southern Rail train timetables
(Scroll down to the Uckfield and East Grinstead to London link - No 29)


Thameslink timetables

(Scroll down to Bedford and Luton to London - No. 1
and also use Uckfield and East Grinstead to London - No. 29)


National Rail Enquiries: Tel: 03457 48 49 50

www.nationalrail.co.uk


To check for Engineering Works on Southern


Southern Customer Services: Tel: 03451 27 29 20 (07.00 - 22.00 hrs)

www.southernrailway.com/

Train Compensation

Season ticket compensation scheme for Thameslink trains from Riddlesdown (Additional industry compensation); Posted 20/7/18

https://www.thameslinkrailway.com/help-and-support/journey-problems/delay-repay/additional-industry-compensation

Delay Repay compensation - Southern Rail


Rail line closed between Lingfield and East Grinstead

New 14/2/20

“News from GTR - “A landslip between Lingfield and East Grinstead means that trains are unable to run between these stations.

There is currently no firm estimate of how long disruption will last. We will let you have a robust date for the re-opening of the line as soon as we can.

Friday 14 February - There will be a significantly reduced service between Lingfield and London with trains running with fewer carriages and a limited Thameslink service.”

More details on this Southern link

Please check before you travel.

BLUEBELL RAILWAY

From 23 March 2013, the privately owned and voluntarily run Bluebell Railway will be connected to the national rail system at East Grinstead, meaning that Riddlesdown residents can get on a train from Riddlesdown Station and travel from Riddlesdown to East Grinstead and then transfer onto the Bluebell Railway.  

Further information and update reports: Link to Bluebell Railway

‘Tornado’ Steam Train Passes Through Riddlesdown - September 2013


LOCAL BUS ROUTE AND TIMES

Local Bus Route and Frequency

Bus 412 (Arriva) - Updated 17/1/20


The permanent changes happened in central Croydon to the 412 bus route on Saturday 2 November 2019, with the bus service no longer running between Katharine Street and West Croydon, (including the Whitgift Centre stops in Wellesley Rd) and vice versa.


As Michelle Wildish from TfL said at the RRA AGM in May, they are constantly reviewing all bus services in London. The way people travel around London is constantly changing and over the past five years usage of route 412 has dropped by 12 per cent. Unfortunately, it is the usual story - use it or lose it.


Frequency (approximately)

Weekdays & Saturdays: Daytime; 20 mins, Evenings; 30 mins.

Frequency Sundays; 30 mins.


Since the re-organisation of the route last November 2019, we understand there maybe confusion with some residents as to where the 412 bus route, which is the only bus service that serves Riddlesdown directly, starts and ends in Croydon town centre.


In summary the 412 Service is;
From Croydon, the 412 stands and starts in Katharine Street (by Queen’s Gardens - along with the 109 which goes towards West Croydon; 405 routes) and then travels via the Croydon Flyover in High Street, South End, Selsdon Rd, Upper Selsdon Rd, Addington Rd (stop for Selsdon), Rectory Park, Mitchley Ave, Downs Court Rd, Godstone Rd, Pampisford Rd & ends on Brighton Rd (High Street) opposite the Purley Hospital.

From Purley, the service is nearly in reverse direction starting from Purley Downlands Precint, (Brighton Rd) then left into Godstone Rd, Down Court Rd and terminates at the bus stand in Katharine Street, Croydon (by Queen’s Gardens).

The 412 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link:


612 (School Bus Service ONLY)

The 612 only runs on school days (Mon to Fri) and is 2 services in the morning (Selsdon to Wallington) and 2 services in the afternoon (Wallington to Selsdon).

The 612 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link


403 Bus route

For those close enough in Riddlesdown to be able to get to the Limpsfield Rd, the 403 is an alternative route which starts at Sainsbury's in Warlingham (travels via Limpsfeld Rd, Sanderstead) and terminates at the West Croydon Bus Station, and then vice versa from West Croydon Bus Station to Warlingham.

The 403 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link:


London Travelwatch

Posted 22/1/20

In relation to the above about the 412, 612 and 403 bus services through and close to the Riddlesdown RA area, we are keen to hear from our own residents if they are having any issues with these three bus services.

The two RRA transport committee members do also sit on the East Surrey Transport Committee, along with other local RAs and the ESTC raise many transport issues with the appropriate authorities/franchises etc.

All the London bus services are also overseen by London Travelwatch. They deal with services operated or licensed by Transport for London (TfL). This does not include train services in our area (except the TfL London Overground and London Underground).

If any resident has had issues with either the 412, 612 and 403 bus services (and also praise for them) then we would be pleased to hear from you. We will only take up correspondence with residents who live in our own RRA area, so if you e-mail us, will you please put the house number and first line of your address on the e-mail.

Our E-mail address is; RiddlesdownResidents@gmail.com


Planning a Journey

To Plan a bus, train, tram, tube, bike or walking journey from Riddlesdown, follow this link to the Tfl website and insert “Riddlesdown” in the “From” box. Link


London Bus Route Maps Link

Tfl - Customer Services: 0343 222 1234 - Link

Arriva London Tel 0845 300 7000 (0800-2000 Monday to Friday)

Website: www.arrivalondon.com/


(Sources: Trains: GTR/Southern Railway/Thameslink; Buses: Transport for London (TfL).

Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.


Fares on Public Transport


Transport for London (TfL) travel on the trams, buses, Docklands light railway (DLR) and London overground rail line


Trying to find the cheapest fare on public transport in London can be a complex issue!


For travel and the best fare method to use on the TfL buses, tram, DLR and the London Overground rail line (the nearest rail station is West Croydon) then click on the link below.

Note all TfL buses in London are now cash free.


TfL INFORMATION ON FARES AND TICKETS IN LONDON


Train tickets and fares from Riddlesdown Station


Riddlesdown Station is in London Zone 6 and is served by Southern and Thameslink trains which both come under the GTR (Govia Thameslink Railway) franchise.


Upper Warlingham (although outside of the London Boroughs) is the last rail station in Zone 6 on our East Grinstead rail line.


For travel on Southern Rail trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase.


For travel on Thameslink trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase


National Rail also offer a ticket fare check/advance purchase for all rail franchises nationwide.



Since September 2014 you are able to use contactless cards on the tube, tram, DLR, London Overground and most National Rail services in London.

Further details on this TfL link


Genreally contactless cards and Oyster are the chaeapest fares in London and the fares are capped. More information on this TfL link


Unfortunately the ticket office at Riddlesdown Station – with the ticket clerk required to sell the best value ticket at each transaction is not open very often these days. Ticket buying can now be done at a ticket vending machine (TVM) – which also allows the collection of tickets bought on line. Riddlesdown has two TVM’s, one on each platform. When it is used to select tickets many options are available. However it maybe be best to purchase the ticket on line first and collect it from the TVM at Riddlesdown. You then have the option of seeing all the fares available structure. Buying a ticket for a child(ren) maybe best done this way.


The London Freedom Pass

This Pass is supplied by the London Councils (all the London Boroughs and City of London) to residents of London.


There are two types of Freedom Pass.

1. The Disabled Pass is available to anybody with a qualifying disability (see website for full list) who lives in a London Borough and is part of the National disability scheme.


2. The Older Persons Freedom Pass is available to residents of a London Borough who have reached the state pension age.


Validity  London :


More information and how to apply;
http://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/services/freedom-pass


60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme:

The former London Mayor, Boris Johnson, introduced a new 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard from 1 November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a London Freedom Pass. The pass will have the same validity as a Freedom Pass. Further details from the Tfl website or Tfl application page


ROADS


Mitchley Ave - Speed Camera

Updated 22/1/20

Motorists Beware! After about 6 years, the damaged speed camera (30 mph) virtually opposite the shops in Mitchley Ave has now been replaced. It is not clear if it is operational as yet. (Note the white lines were marked and road sensors installed at night on 21/1/20)


The RRA were told by a resident that the previous camera was damaged by part of a mobile home on a low loader vehicle!


























A22 (Godstone Rd) - Red route proposals to commence in 2019

Updated 3/2/19

Transport for London (TfL) consulted with residents and stakeholders in the summer of 2017 about proposals to changes to the double and single line red route on the A22 (Godstone Rd) from Foxley Hill Road to Old Barn Lane (at the Borough boundary to Whyteleafe).


They also proposed other works which included changes to bus stop facilities: improved zebra crossings; and changes to road layouts at some side road and designated parking areas. The RRA did submit our comments at the time, regarding these proposals.


Following careful consideration of the consultation responses received, TfL have decided to proceed with the scheme as proposed, with the some alterations. These works will commence in early 2019 and will run to 2020. Their full report is on this link


Mitchley Ave/Rectory Park - Accidents

Update 29/11/17

The resurfacing works to lay a better anti skid surface were completed overnight, (28/29 November 2017) on the bend to Rectory Park/Mitchley Ave. This is following extensive pressure from the RRA to Croydon Council, to do something at this location due to all the accidents (at least eight) since November 2016.

Hopefully this may now reduce the number of accidents on this bend, especially in the wet. Please let the RRA know if further accidents occur at this location and we will take it up with Croydon Council again.

There is now also a speed visor (displaying speeds above 30 mph), on the down section of the hill to Rectory Park, before the bend.


















Extensive roadworks on the M23 between Junctions 8 to 10

to create a smart motorway - weekend and night closures at times. Works due to be completed in Spring 2020.

Information from Highways England

New 8/2/20

M23 junction 8 to 10 upgrade - Smart Motorway Project

56 hour weekend road closures (see dates below)

There are planned weekend closures on the M23 between junction 8 Merstham and junction 10 Copthorne. The works will be carried out over the following five weekends between 9pm on Friday and 5am on Monday.

Friday 28 February - Monday 2 March (Northbound junctions 10 to 8)

Friday 6 March - Monday 9 March (Southbound junctions 8 to 10)

Friday 13 March - Monday 16 March (Northbound junctions 10 to 8)

Friday 20 March - Monday 23 March (Southbound junctions 8 to 10)

Friday 27 March - Sunday 29 March at 1am (Northbound junctions 10 to 8)

Sunday 29 March at 1am - Monday 30 March at 5am (Southbound junctions 8 to 10).

Full carriageway closure either southbound or northbound. Not full closures, both directions. All closures will be subject to change and are weather dependent."

For access to and from Gatwick Airport will involve travelling to J10 (Copthorne/Crawley) and then using the A2011 and A23 and/or in the reverse order. Or use the A23 to and from Purley.

More details and diversion routes are on this link;

This information also on Surrey CC website;


Extensive roadworks on the M20 between Junctions 3 to 5

weekend and night closures at times. Works due to be completed in March 2020;

Information from Highways England



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