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RAIL


Southern timetables from 6 September 2021 (one Thameslink service morning and evening)


Updated 5/10/21 - Thameslink and Southern train services are still reduced from 6 Sept 2021. More details and timetables (scroll down to 'timetables from 6 Sept' and timetable K) are on this Southern link; or check with the National Rail website before travelling.


GTR have re-instated a morning Thameslink service from East Grinstead to West Hampstead - calling at RDD at 07.45hrs. In addition, from 4 October an evening Thameslink service from Leagrave (nr Luton) at 17.17hrs to East Grinstead calling at St Pancras at 17.54 hrs and LBG at 18.10 (arriving RDD at 18.36hrs).

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RIDDLESDOWN STATION IS IN LONDON TRAVELCARD ZONE 6. UPPER WARLINGHAM IS ALSO IN ZONE 6 AND IS THE LAST STATION ON THIS LINE, WITHIN THE LONDON ZONES 1 to 6.


For those residents who are not regular users of Riddlesdown Station - Southern and Thameslink do at times run trains with 10 to 12 carriages. To be sure of getting off at Riddlesdown (from London), ensure you are in carriages 1 to 9, because these trains are longer than the platform and the doors on carriages 10 to 12 will not open. Next stop is Upper Warlingham! Carriage 6 is usually by the exit at Riddlesdown on trains from London.

On trains from East Grinstead, it is usually carriage 4 by the exit. Next stop is Sanderstead!

National Rail Key; RDD - Riddlesdown; VIC - London Victoria; LBG - London Bridge; STP - London St Pancras; BDM - Bedford; ECR - East Croydon; LUT - Luton; OXT - Oxted; EGR - East Grinstead.

DUE TO CORONA VIRUS THE USUAL TIMETABLE SHOWN BELOW IN BLUE IS NOT FULLY OPERATIONAL

To London and/or Bedford from Riddlesdown;

Weekdays: All trains terminate at London Victoria, unless otherwise stated in brackets; 6.06, 06.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 06.35, 06.42(to LBG, STP, BDM), 07.06, 07.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 07.36, 07.45(to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.06, 08.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.36, 08.45(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.06, 09.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.36 and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until last train at 23.36.

Saturdays (To London Victoria only): 07.06, 07.36, and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until 23.36.

Sundays (To London Victoria only) 08.42, and then 12 and 42 mins past hour until 23.44.


To and from London Bridge and Bedford - No direct services Saturdays & Sundays.


From London Victoria to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;

Times in brackets are the arrival times at Riddlesdown for departures on to Oxted & East Grinstead.

Weekdays: 05.20(05.49), 05.50(06.18), 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18), 07.20(07.48), 07.50(08.18), 08.20(08.48), 08.50(09.18), 09.20(09.48), and then 50(18) and 20(48) mins past the hour until 22.52(23.18), 23.22(23.48), 23.53(00.23 - to Oxted only).

Saturdays: 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18) and then 20(48)and 50(18) mins past hour until 23.53(00.23 - to Oxted only).

Sundays: 07.43(08.17), 08.51(09.17), 09.21(09.47), 09.51(10.17), and then 21(47) & 51(17) mins past hour until 22.51(23.17).


From Bedford (BDM) or Luton (LUT) via London St Pancras (STP) & London Bridge(LBG) to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;

Weekdays only: 15.49(LUT)(17.05); 16.06(BDM) at LBG 17.11(17.35); 16.32(BDM) at LBG 17.41(18.05); 17.21(LUT) at LBG 18.11(18.35); 17.28(BDM) at LBG 18.41(19.05); 17.56(BDM) at LBG 19.11(19.35).


From East Croydon to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;

Weekdays: 05.41(49), 06.10(18), 06.40(48), 07.10(18), 07.40(48), then 10(18) and 40(48) mins past hour until 16.55(05), 17.10(18), 17.25(35), 17.40(48), 17.56(05), 18.10(18), 18.25(35), 18.40(48), 18.55(05), 19.10(18), 19.25(35), 19.40(48), then 10(18)mins and 40(48) mins past hour until 00.14(23 - to Oxted only).

Saturdays: 06.40(06.48), 07.10(07.18) and then 40(48) and 10(18) mins past hour until 00.14(00.23) - to Oxted only).

Sundays: 08.09(08.17), 09.09(17), 09.39(47), and then 09(17) and 39(47) mins past the hour until 23.09(17).

Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Southern Railway, Tfl or National Rail.

The above times are shown in good faith. If anyone notices any errors will you please contact the RRA. The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.


Please check before travelling with the train operator and/or Network Rail.


Rail engineering works on the Riddlesdown line

Updated 19/10/21

Rail engineering work (please click on the relevant date) between East Croydon and Victoria on Sat 27 and Sun 28 November and from Sat 25 December to Mon 3 January 2022(closing all lines) means all trains to and from Riddlesdown/London Victoria will be via London Bridge instead.


Please check the Southern or National Rail websites.


Bus Service

When engineering works take place on the East Grinstead line (Riddlesdown) rail replacement buses will be run to Purley Station - but they will NOT serve Riddlesdown or Sanderstead Stations.


Replacement buses will run between Purley and Hurst Green calling at Upper Warlingham and Oxted. A shuttle bus service will operate between Woldingham and Upper Warlingham. No rail replacement buses will serve Sanderstead, or Riddlesdown. Change at Purley or East Croydon for trains to/from London.


Passengers at or for Sanderstead Station should use local bus route 403 between Beechwood Road / Mayfield Road bus stop and South Croydon, or West Croydon station, or use Purley Oaks as an alternative station, which is 0.3 miles away. But please note, Purley Oaks does not have step free access. Please contact Southern’s assisted travel team on 0800 138 1016 should you need step free access.


Passengers using Riddlesdown will have to get the 412 bus service from Mitchley Ave, (Lower Barn Rd stop) near to Buttermere Gardens (or from the Riddlesdown Collegiate stop near Ingleboro Drive) to Purley town centre (Tesco stop). Passengers will need to check the time of the buses from the Lower Barn Rd stop going westbound to Purley. Alternatively walking (or driving) to Purley Station is another option. Purley station is approximately a 20 minute walk from Riddlesdown station.


The 403 bus route can also be used from Limpsfield Rd (either the 'All Saints Church' stop by the roundabout, or the 'Sanderstead Recreation Ground' stop, or the 'Sanderstead Methodist Church' stop by Mitchley Hill) to South Croydon, or West Croydon stations. East Croydon Station can be walked to from the Park Lane/Wellesley Rd stops.


Southern rail tickets will be accepted on both the 412 and 403 buses.


Riddlesdown has been served with a replacement rail bus service for decades when engineering works have taken place but GTR starting using the 412 bus as an alternative rail replacement service since the beginning of this year. Although passengers are currently being told to make essential rail travel only, we believe more passengers will use the rail service in due course at weekends.


If any resident may need more assistance, Southern have an established accessibility policy to support those with access needs. Their assisted travel team would be happy to discuss any assistance which may be required to help in a journey during engineering works.  Full contact details are available here:

www.southernrailway.com/travel-information/travel-help/assisted-travel



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FOR FULL TIMETABLES FOLLOW THESE LINKS


The current Riddlesdown Southern Rail train timetables
(Scroll down to the Uckfield and East Grinstead to London link - No 29)


Thameslink timetables

(Scroll down to Bedford and Luton to London - No. 1
and also use Uckfield and East Grinstead to London - No. 29)


National Rail Enquiries: Tel: 03457 48 49 50

www.nationalrail.co.uk


To check for Engineering Works on Southern


Southern Customer Services: Tel: 03451 27 29 20 (07.00 - 22.00 hrs)

www.southernrailway.com/

Train Compensation

Season ticket compensation scheme for Thameslink trains from Riddlesdown (Additional industry compensation); Posted 20/7/18

https://www.thameslinkrailway.com/help-and-support/journey-problems/delay-repay/additional-industry-compensation

Delay Repay compensation - Southern Rail


BLUEBELL RAILWAY

From 23 March 2013, the privately owned and voluntarily run Bluebell Railway will be connected to the national rail system at East Grinstead, meaning that Riddlesdown residents can get on a train from Riddlesdown Station and travel from Riddlesdown to East Grinstead and then transfer onto the Bluebell Railway.  

Further information and update reports: Link to Bluebell Railway

‘Tornado’ Steam Train Passes Through Riddlesdown - September 2013


New Passenger Shelter - Riddlesdown Station

Update 21/8/21

In 2018 the Government fined Govia Thameslink Railway (GTR) £15m following disruption to rail services and delivering an unacceptable service for passengers during that year. This money has been reinvested in a Passenger Benefit Fund to provide improvements for passengers at stations.

Thanks to the Passenger Benefit Fund, Riddlesdown Station got £80,000 going towards;

Seating and refurbishment for the waiting room

Perch seating for platform 1

New Shelter (inc CCTV)

Toilet improvements.


For those residents who haven't been to Riddlesdown rail station lately, the photo below is the new all weather shelter that has now been constructed to the London bound platform - at the front end of the platform.

Works are nearly complete, with just the finishing off of the CCTV to the shelter and some fence repairs. We hope residents find the new facilities beneficial. It has involved a fair bit of correspondence from the RRA to GTR (and site meetings), and our thanks go to GTR for undertaking this work.

















LOCAL BUS ROUTE AND TIMES


Local Bus Route and Frequency

Bus 412 (Arriva) - Updated 17/1/20


The permanent changes happened in central Croydon to the 412 bus route on Saturday 2 November 2019, with the bus service no longer running between Katharine Street and West Croydon, (including the Whitgift Centre stops in Wellesley Rd) and vice versa.


As Michelle Wildish from TfL said at the RRA AGM in May, they are constantly reviewing all bus services in London. The way people travel around London is constantly changing and over the past five years usage of route 412 has dropped by 12 per cent. Unfortunately, it is the usual story - use it or lose it.


Frequency (approximately)

Weekdays & Saturdays: Daytime; 20 mins, Evenings; 30 mins.

Frequency Sundays; 30 mins.


Since the re-organisation of the route last November 2019, we understand there maybe confusion with some residents as to where the 412 bus route, which is the only bus service that serves Riddlesdown directly, starts and ends in Croydon town centre.


In summary the 412 Service is;
From Croydon, the 412 stands and starts in Katharine Street (by Queen’s Gardens - along with the 109 which goes towards West Croydon; 405 routes) and then travels via the Croydon Flyover in High Street, South End, Selsdon Rd, Upper Selsdon Rd, Addington Rd (stop for Selsdon), Rectory Park, Mitchley Ave, Downs Court Rd, Godstone Rd, Pampisford Rd & ends on Brighton Rd (High Street) opposite the Purley Hospital.

From Purley, the service is nearly in reverse direction starting from Purley Downlands Precint, (Brighton Rd) then left into Godstone Rd, Down Court Rd and terminates at the bus stand in Katharine Street, Croydon (by Queen’s Gardens).

The 412 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link:


612 (School Bus Service ONLY)

The 612 only runs on school days (Mon to Fri) and is 2 services in the morning (Selsdon to Wallington) and 2 services in the afternoon (Wallington to Selsdon).

The 612 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link


403 Bus route

For those close enough in Riddlesdown to be able to get to the Limpsfield Rd, the 403 is an alternative route which starts at Sainsbury's in Warlingham (travels via Limpsfeld Rd, Sanderstead) and terminates at the West Croydon Bus Station, and then vice versa from West Croydon Bus Station to Warlingham.

The 403 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link:


Planning a Journey

To Plan a bus, train, tram, tube, bike or walking journey from Riddlesdown, follow this link to the Tfl website and insert “Riddlesdown” in the “From” box. Link


London Bus Route Maps Link

Tfl - Customer Services: 0343 222 1234 - Link

Arriva London Tel 020 8271 0101 (0800-2000 Monday to Friday)

Website: www.arrivalondon.com/


(Sources: Trains: GTR/Southern Railway/Thameslink; Buses: Transport for London (TfL).

Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.


Fares on Public Transport


Transport for London (TfL) travel on the trams, buses, Docklands light railway (DLR) and London overground rail line


Trying to find the cheapest fare on public transport in London can be a complex issue!


For travel and the best fare method to use on the TfL buses, tram, DLR and the London Overground rail line (the nearest rail station is West Croydon) then click on the link below.

Note all TfL buses in London are now cash free.


TfL INFORMATION ON FARES AND TICKETS IN LONDON


Train tickets and fares from Riddlesdown Station


Riddlesdown Station is in London Zone 6 and is served by Southern and Thameslink trains which both come under the GTR (Govia Thameslink Railway) franchise.


Upper Warlingham (although outside of the London Boroughs) is the last rail station in Zone 6 on our East Grinstead rail line.


For travel on Southern Rail trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase.


For travel on Thameslink trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase


National Rail also offer a ticket fare check/advance purchase for all rail franchises nationwide.



Since September 2014 you are able to use contactless cards on the tube, tram, DLR, London Overground and most National Rail services in London.

Further details on this TfL link


Generally contactless cards and Oyster are the cheapest fares in London and the fares are capped. More information on this TfL link


Unfortunately the ticket office at Riddlesdown Station – with the ticket clerk required to sell the best value ticket at each transaction is not open very often these days. Ticket buying can now be done at a ticket vending machine (TVM) – which also allows the collection of tickets bought on line. Riddlesdown has two TVM’s, one on each platform. When it is used to select tickets many options are available. However it maybe be best to purchase the ticket on line first and collect it from the TVM at Riddlesdown. You then have the option of seeing all the fares available structure. Buying a ticket for a child(ren) maybe best done this way.


The London Freedom Pass

This Pass is supplied by the London Councils (all the London Boroughs and City of London) to residents of London.


There are two types of Freedom Pass.

1. The Disabled Pass is available to anybody with a qualifying disability (see website for full list) who lives in a London Borough and is part of the National disability scheme.


2. The Older Persons Freedom Pass is available to residents of a London Borough who have reached the state pension age.


Validity  London :


More information and how to apply;
http://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/services/freedom-pass


60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme:

The former London Mayor, Boris Johnson, introduced a new 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard from 1 November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a London Freedom Pass. The pass will have the same validity as a Freedom Pass. Further details from the Tfl website or Tfl application page


ROADS


Essential Water Main Works on Godstone Road, Purley - A22

Deferred

Updated 24/5/20


It has has been advertised that the planned road closure, from Tuesday 26 May 2020, of the Godstone Rd (A22) near to the Tesco store by SES Water for water a new water main, has now been deferred. A current new date has not yet been advised


We understand Croydon Council will be pushing for the works to be carried out during the 6 week school summer holiday, after consultations have been undertaken with all agencies.


These works have to be done at some time and in our view this is just delaying the inevitable until next year, when traffic levels will probably be much higher than at present!


SES have more information on their website


Information from Croydon Council about some road works

Updated 15/8/21

Croydon Council no longer supply a list of road works in our area. So please refer to the One Network link for all of Croydon’s planned road works/closures (and further afield); OneNetwork


Westfield Ave Closures for a Play Street

New 13/8/21

The screenshot below is taken from the ‘Official Notices’ in the Sutton & Croydon Guardian on 12 August 2021.

The section of Westfield Ave between Court Hill and Rectory Park is to be closed on a number of Sunday afternoons (1.30pm to 4.30pm) once a month - starting Sunday 15 August 2021, then 5 Sept, 3 Oct, 7 Nov, 5 Dec, 2 Jan 2022, 6 Feb, 6 Mar, 3 Apr, 1 May, 5 June; and will be used as a play street.


The organisers will be notifying residents in Westfield Ave.




































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