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For those residents who are not regular users of Riddlesdown Station -
On trains from East Grinstead, it is usually carriage 4 by the exit. Next stop is Sanderstead!
National Rail Key; RDD -
DUE TO REDUCED PASSENGER NUMBERS AFTER COVID 19, THE USUAL RAIL TIMETABLE SHOWN BELOW IS NOT FULLY OPERATIONAL.
See this link below for updated services from 4 Sept 2022
The services shown in red and crossed out will not run until further notice. In addition at off peak times for weekdays only, Southern will only run an hourly service to and from RDD.
Southern Railway and Thameslink (TL) services to London and/or Bedford from Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: All trains terminate at London Victoria, unless otherwise stated in brackets; 6.06, 06.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 06.35, 06.42(to LBG, STP, BDM), 07.06, 07.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 07.36, 07.45(TL to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.06, 08.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.36, 08.45(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.06, 09.15(to LBG, STP, BDM), 09.36, 10.06, 10.36, 11.06, 11.36, 12.06, 12.36, 13.06, 13.36, 14.06, 14.37, 15.06, 15.36, 16.06, 16.36, 17.06, 17.36, 18.06, 18.36, 19.06, 19.36, 20.06, 20.36, 21.06, 21.36, 22.06, 22.36, 23.06, 23.36.
Saturdays (To London Victoria only): 07.06, 07.36, and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until 23.36.
Sundays (To London Victoria only) 08.42, and then 12 and 42 mins past hour until 23.44.
To and from London Bridge and Bedford -
Southern Railway services from London Victoria to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Times in brackets are the arrival times at Riddlesdown for departures on to Oxted & East Grinstead.
Weekdays: 05.20(05.49), 05.50(06.18), 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18), 07.20(07.48), 07.50(08.18), 08.20(08.48), 08.50(09.18), 09.20, 09.50(10.18), 10.20, 10.50(11.18), 11.20, 11.50(12.18), 12.20, 12.50(13.18), 13.20, 13.50(14.18), 14.20(14.48), 14.50(15.18), 15.20(15.48), 15.50(16.18), 16.20(16.48), 16.50(17.18), 17.21(17.48), 17.51(18.18), 18.20(18.48), 18.50(19.18), 19.20, 19.50(20.18), 20.20, 20.50(21.18), 21.20, 21.50(22.18), 22.20(22.48), 23.22(23.48), 23.53(00.23 -
Saturdays: 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18) and then 20(48)and 50(18) mins past hour until 23.53(00.23 -
Sundays: 07.43(08.17), 08.51(09.17), 09.21(09.47), 09.51(10.17), and then 21(47) & 51(17) mins past hour until 22.51(23.17).
Thameslink (TL) services from Bedford (BDM) or Luton (LUT) via London St Pancras (STP) & London Bridge(LBG) to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays only: 15.49(LUT)(17.05); 16.06(BDM) at LBG 17.11(17.35); 16.32(BDM) at LBG 17.41(18.05); 17.23(LUT) at LBG 18.11(18.35); 17.28(BDM) at LBG 18.41(19.05); 17.56(BDM) at LBG 19.11(19.35).
Southern Railway and Thameslink (TL) services from East Croydon to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: 05.41(49), 06.10(18), 06.40(48), 07.10(18), 07.40(48), 08.10(18), 08.40(49), 09.10(18), 09.40, 10.10(18), 10.40, 11.10(18), 11.40, 12.10(18), 12.40, 13.10(18), 13.40, 14.10(18), 14.40(48), 15.10(18), 15.40(48), 16.10(18), 16.40(48), 17.10(18), 17.25(35), 17.40(48), 17.56, 18.10(18), 18.25(35-
Saturdays: 06.40(06.48), 07.10(07.18) and then 40(48) and 10(18) mins past hour until 23.40(48).
Sundays: 08.09(08.17), 09.09(17), 09.39(47), and then 09(17) and 39(47) mins past the hour until 23.09(17).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Southern Railway, Tfl or National Rail.
The above times are shown in good faith. If anyone notices any errors will you please contact the RRA. The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Currently there are no rail engineering works (please click on the relevant date on this link) affecting Riddlesdown’s on the London/Oxted and East Grinstead line -
When engineering works take place on the East Grinstead line (Riddlesdown) rail replacement buses will run to/from Purley Station -
Replacement buses will run between Purley and Hurst Green calling at Upper Warlingham and Oxted. A shuttle bus service will operate between Woldingham and Upper Warlingham. No rail replacement buses will serve Sanderstead, or Riddlesdown. Change at Purley or East Croydon for trains to/from London.
Passengers using Riddlesdown Station will have to get the 412 bus service from Mitchley Ave, (Lower Barn Rd stop -
The 403 bus route can also be used from Limpsfield Rd (either the 'All Saints Church' stop by the roundabout, or the 'Sanderstead Recreation Ground' stop, or the 'Sanderstead Methodist Church' stop by Mitchley Hill) to South Croydon, or West Croydon stations. East Croydon Station can be walked to from the Park Lane/Wellesley Rd stops.
Passengers using Sanderstead Station should use the local bus route 403 between Beechwood Road/Mayfield Road bus stop and South Croydon, or West Croydon station, or use Purley Oaks as an alternative station, which is 0.3 miles away. But please note, Purley Oaks does not have step free access. Please contact Southern’s assisted travel team on 0800 138 1016 should you need step free access.
Southern rail tickets will be accepted on both the 412 and 403 buses.
Riddlesdown has been served with a replacement rail bus service for decades when engineering works have taken place but this ceased circa 2019 and then GTR starting using the 412/403 bus services as an alternative rail replacement service .
If any resident may need more assistance, Southern have an established accessibility policy to support those with access needs. Their assisted travel team would be happy to discuss any assistance which may be required to help in a journey during engineering works. Full contact details are available here:
National Rail Enquiries: Tel: 03457 48 49 50
Southern Customer Services: Tel: 03451 27 29 20 (07.00 -
“Changes to train services from 04/09/2022
As you are aware, following the start of the National Rail Contract, we completed a timetable change in May for the Summer 2022 timetable. From the 4th September 2022, we will be making a smaller set of additional planned changes. This timetable is a starting point to rebuild the railway following the disruption of the past few years.
There is no change to most of the network, but there are changes primarily in South London, short distance services in the Brighton area and on the route to Cambridge.
As in May, these changes are about matching services to demand, making the most efficient use of resources and the effect of reduced commuting.
As customers return to rail and when the time is right, we want to see more services added in, so we have a thriving railway, meeting the changing needs of our customers. We always need to make the best use of the available funding from our customers and the taxpayer. This means difficult choices, which will sometimes be disappointing. In the future, where the demand exists, we will be as responsive as we can to the desire for more services from customers.
The timetable information pages on our websites have now been updated, following an earlier update to journey planners. A summary of the main changes is available below.
It is important that passengers check their journeys at www.nationalrail.co.uk for journeys on or after Sunday 4th September 2022.
As always, should you have any questions, please let us know.
Senior Stakeholder Manager, Govia Thameslink Railway”
“Summary of timetable changes from Sunday 4 September 2022
Cambridge to King’s Cross (stopping services)
Two trains will run per hour across the entire route at busy times.
During the middle of the day, two trains per hour will run between King’s Cross and Letchworth Garden City. One train per hour will continue beyond Letchworth Garden City to Cambridge calling at Baldock, Ashwell & Morden, Royston, Meldreth, Shepreth and Foxton.
After 20:00, one train per hour (stopping services) will run between King’s Cross and Cambridge.
For journeys to and from stations between Letchworth Garden City and Cambridge, the time of trains on the all-
After 20:00, one train per hour (stopping services) will run between King’s Cross and Cambridge.
Brighton to Cambridge
Weekdays and Saturdays
The 19:12, 20:12, 21:12 and 22:12 services from Brighton to Cambridge will call additionally at Welwyn Garden City, Welwyn North and Knebworth.
Brighton to Lewes
An additional hourly service will run between Brighton and Lewes during peak hours, calling at Brighton, London Road, Moulsecoomb, Falmer and Lewes.
Brighton to Hastings
In combination with the additional peak-
Brighton to Hove
An additional hourly service will run all day between Brighton and Hove.
Uckfield to London Bridge
Additional services will run to increase frequency to hourly throughout the middle of the day.
Watford Junction to East Croydon
The weekday service between Hemel Hempstead / Watford Junction and Clapham Junction will be extended through to East Croydon, providing additional services at Balham, Streatham Common, Norbury, Thornton Heath, Selhurst and East Croydon.
London Victoria to East Grinstead
An additional service at 19:20 will run from London Victoria towards East Grinstead, with a service from East Grinstead to London Victoria at 20:36. This will extend the hours when the weekday PM service from London Victoria is half-
London Bridge to London Victoria and London Bridge to East Croydon (all stations)
Seven days per week
Two trains per hour will run between London Bridge and London Victoria calling at New Cross Gate, Brockley, Honor Oak Park, Forest Hill, Sydenham, Crystal Palace, Gipsy Hill, West Norwood, Streatham Hill, Balham, Wandsworth Common, Clapham Junction and Battersea Park as eight and ten carriage services.
This is to introduce “orbital” services and to increase the frequency of services to and from London Victoria at stations such as Gipsy Hill, West Norwood and Streatham Hill.
However, as part of this change, the London Bridge to East Croydon all-
Anerley and Penge West will not be served by Southern services with customers to connect via London Overground at Norwood Junction for services towards East Croydon.
In addition, because of the overlap in the London Victoria to Crystal Palace section, the London Victoria to West Croydon service will not run after approximately 20:00 on weekdays and Saturdays, or on Sundays. Alternative frequent TfL buses operate between Crystal Palace and Norwood Junction or customers can travel via a change of trains at Sydenham.
London Bridge to Caterham via Tulse Hill
Weekdays and Saturdays
This is because between East Croydon and Caterham the service overlaps with the fast Caterham to London Bridge service.
This means that the frequency at stations including Caterham, Whyteleafe South, Whyteleafe and Kenley will be two trains per hour to East Croydon and London Bridge, with customers to change at East Croydon for stations towards Tulse Hill.
London Bridge to Caterham and Purley (fast)
Weekdays and Saturdays
Trains between Caterham / Tattenham Corner and London Bridge will call additionally at Norwood Junction to improve connections with London Overground services.
On Sundays, train services between Caterham and London Bridge will continue to run every 30 minutes but will now run fast between Norwood Junction and London Bridge offering faster journey times.
On Sundays the frequency of the Tattenham Corner to Purley service will reduce from two to one train per hour in each direction. Passengers travelling beyond Purley will be able to connect with train services towards London Bridge or London Victoria at Purley.
Beckenham Junction to London Bridge via Tulse Hill
The frequency of trains between Beckenham Junction and London Bridge will increase to half-
Services between Crystal Palace and London Bridge via Tulse Hill will not run.
Epsom to London Victoria via Carshalton
Seven days per week
During peak hours on weekdays four services per hour will run between Epsom and London Victoria via Carshalton as today.
On weekdays during off-
Sutton to London Victoria via West Croydon
As on weekdays off-
Post Note 12/8/22
Following comments received to the RRA from residents about this e-
The response back from Paul Codd is that GTR are considering two additional services from December timetable changes, in both the morning and afternoon/evening. The caveat is that this is subject to passenger demand increasing as forecast, funding and of course, crew availability.
Season ticket compensation scheme for Thameslink trains from Riddlesdown (Additional industry compensation); Posted 20/7/18
Delay Repay compensation -
With the school holidays approaching soon, GTR (Southern Railway and Thameslink etc) have told us they are promoting a 2 for 1 offer if travelling by train to various attractions. Most of the offers end on 31 December 2022. The GTR details are on this link
Make to sure to change the 'Category' on the link to see all the offers available, and then move along the pages at the bottom where applicable.
From 23 March 2013, the privately owned and voluntarily run Bluebell Railway was connected to the national rail system at East Grinstead, meaning that Riddlesdown residents can get on a train from Riddlesdown Station and travel from Riddlesdown to East Grinstead and then transfer onto the Bluebell Railway. Further information and update reports: Link to Bluebell Railway
The main Bluebell Railway website
Bus 412 (Arriva) -
The permanent changes happened in central Croydon to the 412 bus route on Saturday 2 November 2019, with the bus service no longer running between Katharine Street and West Croydon, (including the Whitgift Centre stops in Wellesley Rd) and vice versa.
Weekdays & Saturdays: Daytime; 20 mins, Evenings; 30 mins.
Frequency Sundays; 30 mins.
The 412 Service is;
From Croydon, the 412 starts in Park Street and then travels via the Croydon Flyover in High Street, South End, Selsdon Rd, Upper Selsdon Rd, Addington Rd (stop for Selsdon), Rectory Park, Mitchley Ave, Downs Court Rd, Godstone Rd, Pampisford Rd & ends on Brighton Rd (High Street) opposite the Purley Hospital.
From Purley, the service is nearly in reverse direction starting from Purley Downlands Precint, (Brighton Rd) then left into Godstone Rd, Down Court Rd and Park Street.
The 412 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link:
612 (School Bus Service ONLY)
The 612 only runs on school days (Mon to Fri) and is 2 services in the morning (Selsdon to Wallington) and 2 services in the afternoon (Wallington to Selsdon).
The 612 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link
403 Bus route
For those close enough in Riddlesdown to be able to get to the Limpsfield Rd, the 403 is an alternative route which starts at Sainsbury's in Warlingham (travels via Limpsfeld Rd, Sanderstead) and terminates at the West Croydon Bus Station, and then vice versa from West Croydon Bus Station to Warlingham.
The 403 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link:
To Plan a bus, train, tram, tube, bike or walking journey from Riddlesdown, follow this link to the Tfl website and insert “Riddlesdown” in the “From” box. Link
London Bus Route Maps Link
Arriva London Tel 020 8271 0101 (0800-
(Sources: Trains: GTR/Southern Railway/Thameslink; Buses: Transport for London (TfL).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Transport for London (TfL) travel on the trams, buses, Docklands light railway (DLR) and London overground rail line
Trying to find the cheapest fare on public transport in London can be a complex issue!
For travel and the best fare method to use on the TfL buses, tram, DLR and the London Overground rail line (the nearest rail station is West Croydon) then click on the link below.
Note all TfL buses in London are now cash free.
Riddlesdown Station is in London Zone 6 and is served by Southern and Thameslink trains which both come under the GTR (Govia Thameslink Railway) franchise.
Upper Warlingham (although outside of the London Boroughs) is the last rail station in Zone 6 on our East Grinstead rail line.
For travel on Southern Rail trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase.
For travel on Thameslink trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase
National Rail also offer a ticket fare check/advance purchase for all rail franchises nationwide.
Since September 2014 you are able to use contactless cards on the tube, tram, DLR, London Overground and most National Rail services in London.
Further details on this TfL link
Generally contactless cards and Oyster are the cheapest fares in London and the fares are capped. More information on this TfL link
The ticket office at Riddlesdown Station – with the station manager required to sell the best value ticket at each transaction is part time and mainly open weekday and Saturday mornings only. Click on the link above for ticket information and methods of payment. Riddlesdown has two Ticket Machines, one on each platform and a card reader on both platforms.
This Pass is supplied by the London Councils (all the London Boroughs and City of London) to residents of London.
There are two types of Freedom Pass.
1. The Disabled Pass is available to anybody with a qualifying disability (see website for full list) who lives in a London Borough and is part of the National disability scheme.
2. The Older Persons Freedom Pass is available to residents of a London Borough who have reached the state pension age.
Validity London :
More information and how to apply;
60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme:
The former London Mayor, Boris Johnson, introduced a new 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard from 1 November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a London Freedom Pass. The pass will have the same validity as a Freedom Pass. Further details from the Tfl website or Tfl application page
It has has been advertised that the planned road closure, from Tuesday 26 May 2020, of the Godstone Rd (A22) near to the Tesco store by SES Water for water a new water main, has now been deferred. A current new date has not yet been advised
We understand Croydon Council will be pushing for the works to be carried out during the 6 week school summer holiday, after consultations have been undertaken with all agencies.
These works have to be done at some time and in our view this is just delaying the inevitable until next year, when traffic levels will probably be much higher than at present!
SES have more information on their website
Croydon Council no longer supply a list of road works in our area. So please refer to the One Network link for all of Croydon’s planned road works/closures (and further afield); OneNetwork
The RRA have been advised by Croydon Council and the contractor acting on behalf of SGN (Forefront Utilities), that gas main replacement works will be undertaken to Ingleboro Drive, Dalegarth Gdns, Eskdale Gdns, Honister Heights and the top half of Dunmail Drive (o/s the Collegiate).
The Council have stipulated that the works must be undertaken during the school summer holidays, in view of the location of Riddlesdown Collegiate. We are told this will be during the school summer holidays of 2022 and 2023.
Both the Collegiate's Principal and the RRA have been liaising with Forefront Utilities, and we now have more information available.
The current proposal is that gas main works will commence to Ingleboro Drive and Dalegarth Gardens on Sat 23 July 2022 and run until Sun 4 Sept 2022. The works will primarily be in the footway and the fairly new resurfaced carriageway on Ingleboro Dr will not have extensive excavation done to it. There will be a few trenches across at various points.
In addition, Dalegarth Gdns will be closed off at the junction to Mitchley Ave for use a storage compound and welfare facilities etc. Residents will only be able to leave this street via Ingleboro Drive.
Forefront Utilities advise: 13/7/22;
“…., these works are still planned to go ahead within the 6 week school holiday period. The engineering team are planned to arrive on site Monday the 25th July. We would like to begin the site set up and TM from the Saturday 23rd under the attached Road closure plan. This enables the team to arrive on site Monday morning and begin works immediately rather that awaiting the arrival and set up of machinery and storage equipment which can take some time. Could we please ask that if you usually park your car in the location of the shown road closure at the end of Dalegarth Gardens; please park it a little further down the road or on a driveway to ensure the closure can be placed out quickly without us needing to disturb you on a Saturday morning to move your car.
The team leaders name is Mike Saxton, they are a very experienced and friendly team who will be more than happy to discuss any questions you have on site. Our Forefront project manager is Connor Greenslade, the SGN Project Manager is Ercument Mustafagolu. These gentleman will be on site often and can discuss any engineering matters you need information on. Our customer liaison officer is Sammie Corkery. She can door knock and speak with you at any point through the works should you have any questions or concerns you need to raise.
Advance notification boards are now out in the area and if you have not yet received your letter you will within the next day or two.”
If possible, a second team may also be able to work on the network nearby to complete open cut works to upsize main and replace services in Honister Heights (middle section) from Saturday 23 July to Sunday 4 September 2022.
In the summer of 2023, Forefront Utilities would need to return to complete the remaining gas mains replacement to Eskdale Gardens, Honister Heights (both western and eastern ends) and Dunmail Drive o/s Riddlesdown Collegiate.
All gas mains not already replaced to houses will need to be upgraded to PE (yellow plastic) so there is no iron main or services left in the area. So where new gas mains are laid into houses, then access will be required to the property at some point. Where there are new PE mains to houses, the connection will be made in the street. It is appreciated that this is holiday season and the contractor will letter drop all residents affected before works commence. Residents can then liaise with Forefront Utilities.
This work is still subject to change and the RRA have just been told about it. We have had no say in how and when the work is to be done. The RRA and the Principal at the Collegiate have made comments, and we are happy to try and answer any questions residents may have.
This is a pdf drawing of all works.
Phased work drawings;:Team One -
Phased Work drawings -
Phased Work drawings -
TfL have opened a public consultation today (20 May 2022) on proposals to expand the Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) London-
Currently, the ULEZ charge is within the areas bounded by the north and south circular roads.
They want to hear the public's views on their proposals. The consultation closed on 29 July 2022. More details on this link