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RIDDLESDOWN STATION IS IN LONDON TRAVELCARD ZONE 6. UPPER WARLINGHAM IS ALSO IN ZONE 6 AND IS THE LAST STATION ON THIS LINE, WITHIN THE LONDON ZONES 1 to 6.
For those residents who are not regular users of Riddlesdown Station -
On trains from East Grinstead, it is usually carriage 4 by the exit. Next stop is Sanderstead!
National Rail Key; RDD -
Timetables from the Southern Railway website -
The timetable shown set out below is from Sunday 2 June 2024 until Saturday 14 December 2024
These are direct trains only without any changes.
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Southern Railway, TfL or National Rail.
The times shown below are in good faith. If anyone notices any errors will you please contact the RRA. The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the information below.
Please check before travelling with the Southern Railway and/or National Rail websites.
Southern Railway and Thameslink (TL) services to London and/or Bedford from Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: All trains terminate at London Victoria, unless otherwise stated in brackets; 6.06, 06.35, 07.06, 07.14(TL to LBG STP, BDM), 07.36, 07.44(TL to LBG, STP, BDM), 08.06, 08.14(TL to LBG STP, BDM), 08.36, 09.06, 09.36, 09.44 (TL to LBG only) 10.06, 10.36, 11.06, 11.36, 12.36, 13.36, 14.36, 15.36, 16.06, 16.36, 17.06, 17.36, 18.06, 18.36, 19.06, 19.36, 20.06, 20.36, 21.06, 21.36, 22.36, 23.36.
Saturdays (To London Victoria only): 07.06, 07.36, and then 06 and 36 mins past hour until 23.36.
Sundays (To London Victoria only) 08.42, 09.42, 10.42 and then 12 and 42 mins past hour until 20.12, then 20.42, .21.42, 22.42, 23.44.
To and from London Bridge and Bedford -
Southern Railway services from London Victoria to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Times in brackets are the arrival times at Riddlesdown for departures on to Oxted & East Grinstead.
Weekdays: 05.20(05.49), 05.50(06.18), 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18), 07.20(07.48), 07.50(08.18), 08.20(08.48), 08.50(09.18), 09.20(09.48), 09.50(10.18), 10.50(11.18), 11.50(12.18), 12.50(13.18), 13.50(14.18), 14.20(14.48), 14.50(15.18), 15.20(15.48), 15.50(16.18), 16.20(16.48), 16.50(17.18), 17.20(17.48), 17.50(18.18), 18.20(18.48), 18.50(19.18), 19.20(19.48), 19.50(20.18), 20.50(21.18), 21.50(22.18), 22.20(22.48), 22.50(23.18) 23.22(23.48), 23.53(00.24 -
Saturdays: 06.20(06.48), 06.50(07.18) and then 20(48) and 50(18) mins past hour until 23.53(00.23 -
Sundays: 07.43(08.17), 08.51(09.17), 09.21(09.47), 10.21(10.47), 10.51(11.17) and then 21(47) & 51(17) mins past hour until 19.51 (20.17), 20.51(21.17), 21.51(22.17), 22.51(23.17).
Thameslink (TL) services from Bedford (BDM) or Luton (LUT) via London St Pancras (STP) & London Bridge(LBG) to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays only:15.59 (BDM) at LBG 17.09(17.34); 16.29(BDM) at LBG 17.39(18.04); 16.59.00(BDM) at LBG 18.09(18.34).
Southern Railway and Thameslink (TL) services from East Croydon to East Grinstead stopping at Riddlesdown;
Weekdays: 05.42(49), 06.10(18), 06.40(48), 07.10(18), 07.40(48), 08.10(18), 08.40(49), 09.10(18), 10.10(18), 11.10(18), 12.10(18), 13.10(18), 14.10(18), 14.40(48), 15.10(18), 15.40(48), 16.10(18), 16.40(48), 17.10(18), 17.24(34-
Saturdays: 06.40(48), 07.10(18) and then 40(48) and 10(18) mins past hour until 00.14(23).
Sundays: 08.09(17), 09.09(17), 09.39(47), 10.39(47) and then 09(17) and 39(47) mins past the hour until 20.09(17), 21.09(17), 22.09(17), 23.09(17).
FOR FULL TIMETABLES FOLLOW THESE LINKS
The current Riddlesdown Southern Railway
and Thameslink train timetables
(Scroll down to the Uckfield and East Grinstead to London link -
National Rail Enquiries: Tel: 03457 48 49 50
To check for Engineering Works on Southern
Southern Customer Services: Tel: 03451 27 29 20 (07.00 -
Rail engineering works on the Riddlesdown (RDD) line
Updated 19/11/24
None currently planned by NR
For more information, please click/tap on the relevant date on the link engineering works
Bus Service
When engineering works take place on the East Grinstead line (Riddlesdown) rail replacement buses will run to/from Purley Station -
Replacement buses will run between Purley and Hurst Green calling at Upper Warlingham and Oxted. A shuttle bus service will operate between Woldingham and Upper Warlingham. No rail replacement buses will serve Sanderstead, or Riddlesdown. Change at Purley or East Croydon for trains to/from London.
Passengers using Riddlesdown Station will have to get the 412 bus service from Mitchley Ave, (Lower Barn Rd stop -
The 403 bus route can also be used from Limpsfield Rd (either the 'All Saints Church' stop by the roundabout, or the 'Sanderstead Recreation Ground' stop, or the 'Sanderstead Methodist Church' stop by Mitchley Hill) to South Croydon, or West Croydon stations. East Croydon Station can be walked to from the Park Lane/Wellesley Rd stops.
Passengers using Sanderstead Station should use the local bus route 403 between Beechwood Road/Mayfield Road bus stop and South Croydon, or West Croydon station, or use Purley Oaks as an alternative station, which is 0.3 miles away. But please note, Purley Oaks does not have step free access. Please contact Southern’s assisted travel team on 0800 138 1016 should you need step free access.
Southern rail tickets will be accepted on both the 412 and 403 buses.
Riddlesdown has been served with a replacement rail bus service for decades when engineering works have taken place but this ceased circa 2019 and then GTR starting using the 412/403 bus services as an alternative rail replacement service .
If any resident may need more assistance, Southern have an established accessibility policy to support those with access needs. Their assisted travel team would be happy to discuss any assistance which may be required to help in a journey during engineering works. Full contact details are available here:
www.southernrailway.com/travel-
From 23 March 2013, the privately owned and voluntarily run Bluebell Railway was connected to the national rail system at East Grinstead, meaning that Riddlesdown residents can get on a train from Riddlesdown Station and travel from Riddlesdown to East Grinstead and then transfer onto the Bluebell Railway. Further information and update reports: Link to Bluebell Railway
The main Bluebell Railway website
‘Tornado’ Steam Train Passes Through Riddlesdown -
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Updated 11/4/23
The 412 Bus Route
From Croydon, the 412 starts in Park Street, Croydon and then travels via Fell Rd, around the Fairfield roundabout, onto the flyover, then down the Croydon Flyover slip road into High Street, South End, Selsdon Rd, Upper Selsdon Rd, Addington Rd (stop for Selsdon), Rectory Park, Mitchley Ave, Downs Court Rd, Godstone Rd, Pampisford Rd & ends on Brighton Rd (High Street) opposite the Purley Hospital.
From Purley, the service is nearly in reverse direction starting from Purley Downlands Precint, (Brighton Rd) then left into Godstone Rd, Down Court Rd and Park Street.
The 412 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link (use the up/down arrows near the top to switch direction).
Frequency (approximately)
Weekdays & Saturdays: Daytime; 20 mins, Evenings; 30 mins.
Frequency Sundays; 30 mins.
612 (School Bus Service ONLY)
The 612 only runs on school days (Mon to Fri) and is 2 services in the morning (Selsdon to Wallington) and 2 services in the afternoon (Wallington to Selsdon).
The 612 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link
403 Bus route
For those close enough in Riddlesdown to be able to get to the Limpsfield Rd, the 403 is an alternative route which starts at Sainsbury's in Warlingham (travels via Limpsfeld Rd, Sanderstead) and terminates at the West Croydon Bus Station, and then vice versa from West Croydon Bus Station to Warlingham.
The 403 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link (use the up/down arrows near the top to switch direction).
359 Bus route
From Purley -
The 359 route (and timetable) is on this TfL link (use the up/down arrows near the top to switch direction).
To Plan a bus, train, tram, tube, bike or walking journey from Riddlesdown, follow this link to the Tfl website and insert “Riddlesdown” in the “From” box. Link
London Bus Route Maps Link
Tfl -
Arriva London Tel 020 8271 0101 (0800-
Website: www.arrivalondon.com/
(Sources: Trains: GTR/Southern Railway/Thameslink; Buses: Transport for London (TfL).
Timetables are subject to change, so if in doubt, check with Tfl or the Operator(s). The RRA cannot accept any responsibility for the accuracy of the above information.
Transport for London (TfL) travel on the trams, buses, Docklands light railway (DLR) and London overground rail line
Trying to find the cheapest fare on public transport in London can be a complex issue!
For travel and the best fare method to use on the TfL buses, tram, DLR and the London Overground rail line (the nearest rail station is West Croydon) then click on the link below.
Note all TfL buses in London are now cash free.
TfL INFORMATION ON FARES AND TICKETS IN LONDON
Train tickets and fares from Riddlesdown Station
Riddlesdown Station is in London Zone 6 and is served by Southern and Thameslink trains which both come under the GTR (Govia Thameslink Railway) franchise.
Upper Warlingham (although outside of the London Boroughs) is the last rail station in Zone 6 on our East Grinstead rail line.
For travel on Southern Rail trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase.
For travel on Thameslink trains go to this link for ticket information and advance purchase
National Rail also offer a ticket fare check/advance purchase for all rail franchises nationwide.
Since September 2014 you are able to use contactless cards on the tube, tram, DLR, London Overground and most National Rail services in London.
Further details on this TfL link
Generally contactless cards and Oyster are the cheapest fares in London and the fares are capped. More information on this TfL link
The ticket office at Riddlesdown Station – with the station manager required to sell the best value ticket at each transaction is part time and mainly open weekday and Saturday mornings only. Click on the link above for ticket information and methods of payment. Riddlesdown has two Ticket Machines, one on each platform and a card reader on both platforms.
This Pass is supplied by the London Councils (all the London Boroughs and City of London) to residents of London.
There are two types of Freedom Pass.
1. The Disabled Pass is available to anybody with a qualifying disability (see website for full list) who lives in a London Borough and is part of the National disability scheme.
2. The Older Persons Freedom Pass is available to residents of a London Borough who have reached the state pension age.
Validity London :
- You can use your pass on most journeys across London but there are a few exceptions to when and where you can use your card. Further details
More information and how to apply;
http://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/services/freedom-
60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme:
The 60+ Concessionary Travel Scheme using a variation of the Oystercard commenced on 1 November 2012 for those people over 60 years of age who no longer qualify for a London Freedom Pass. The pass will have the same validity as a Freedom Pass. Further details from the Tfl website or Tfl application page
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Updated 23/12/21
Croydon Council no longer supply a list of road works in our area. So please refer to the One Network link for all of Croydon’s planned road works/closures (and further afield); OneNetwork
Riddlesdown Collegiate -
Update 25/7/24
The report to Cabinet (see update 21 July) for the proposed Healthy School Street (HSS) scheme was presented to the Council's Cabinet on 24 July and it was decided that the scheme for streets near to the Collegiate will be withdrawn and NOT proceed any further.
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Updated 21/7/24
There is a report being presented to the Council's Cabinet on 24 July, recommending that the proposal does NOT proceed any further (para 2.4 of the report) after the recent public consultation.
The report is in Item No.11 -
There is some wording in the report (5.06) that infers the scheme is going to further consultation, but we have been assured by a Ward Cllr that this is not the case. It is the recommendation wording that matters -
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This informal consultation for a HSS closed on Tuesday 28 May.
Following contact from many local residents (the vast majority opposing the proposal), the RRA have submitted an objection letter to the Council about this specific proposal. We have also met with the two PO&R Ward Councillors and the Principal at the Collegiate about the proposal. Unfortunately, the Council Officers did not approach the RRA, the Collegiate Principal and Ward Councillors before publishing details of this scheme, and we all had no prior warning it was going out to consultation.
The RRA Committee are opposed to this particular scheme because we believe it will not work. We want a scheme that will work for all residents, if the majority of residents want an HSS at all.
This particular informal consultation has now closed, and we must wait to see what the Council decides to do. The RRA certainly want to achieve a solution that works for all residents, and it doesn't just shift the problem to other streets like Buttermere Gdns, Dalegarth Gdns, Ingleboro Dr, top end of Downs Court Rd, Riddlesdown Rd, Cranford Close and Mitchley Hill (all these streets are in the RRA area).
The proposed hours of operation will be 8am to 9.30am and 2pm to 4pm, which the RRA believe are too long and do not fit in with the Collegiate times (8.30am to 3pm), especially when the gates open in the morning at 8am for an 8.30am start.
If the Council are minded to reject this scheme, and they were to implement some other scheme, that they would first consult with the RRA, the two PO&R Ward Councillors and the Principal at the Collegiate, with their alternative proposals. Hopefully, they have got some idea as to what local residents living near to the Collegiate want, from the comments submitted to them in this consultation. We are also aware some residents living near to the Collegiate do not want an HSS at all. But some residents do. It is the RRA's view that any proposed HSS needs the majority of residents to be in favour of the proposal.
Update 11/8/24
The RRA have been contacted by a number of residents/motorists about the recent changes to the former free parking in the bays outside the shops in Lower Barn Rd and Mitchley Ave.
The Council did advertise all these Borough wide changes in the Sutton & Croydon Guardian on 11 July 2024. This screenshot taken from the Guardian is for the bays in Lower Barn Rd and Mitchley Ave. The photo below is from the sign in Lower Barn Rd.
Note that whilst the first hour is free, you will have to pay after 1 hour up to a maximum of 2 hours. And you have to register with Ringo if only staying a few minutes (we know!). There is no return to the bays in those streets within 2 hours.
We also show some FAQs sent to us by the Council and a list of all the Pay Point shops in the Borough.
Note that KK Food & Wine in Mitchley Ave is a Pay Point shop, but the Post Office/Grocers/newsagent in Lower Barn Rd is NOT a Pay Point shop. There is currently only one Pay Point shop in Purley town centre!
You can pre-
Update 25/7/24
An e-
“Dear Resident Association
I am writing to let you know that from tomorrow, Tuesday 23 July 2024, we will be switching off the pay & display machines in local and district centres where we have free 1-
The attached letter gives further details.
In addition, the charges for parking permits and on-
The council’s new parking charges offer a balanced approach for parking, taking into consideration all vehicle types, while still recognising the environmental impacts of vehicles, and retains the emission-
The discount offer now more fairly reflects the vehicles parking on the borough’s streets, while not penalising less efficient vehicles that are often used by those that are less likely to be able to upgrade their vehicle.
The new policy will see shoppers benefit from one hour’s free parking at district and local centres. The maximum stay has increased to two hours, with reduced fees for the second hour, encouraging residents to enjoy more time at their local shops. The no return period at all on-
Regards
Jayne Rusbatch
Head of Highways and Parking”
Major Gas Main Works in Riddlesdown from September 2024
Updated 26/11/24
An update about the gas main renewal works in Riddlesdown/Sanderstead.
The two-
According to One Network, Hyde Road will stay closed from the Rectory Park end until about 30 December 2024 and they will be continuing along that street, replacing the old main with new plastic PE. WCB Utilities should be fully complete by then and away from the area.
We were initially told in July that works would continue along Rectory Park to the roundabout, and then partly along both Limpsfield Rd and down Sanderstead Hill. However, the latest update on this is that this section will need to be re-
As far as finishing off gas main renewal works in Honister Hts, Dalegarth Gdns and Eskdale Gdns, we have asked the contractor Forefront Utilities earlier in the year as to what is happening and no works are currently scheduled. These works have to be undertaken in the school summer holidays. So no dates are available as yet.
