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What Will Riddlesdown Look Like In 2036?
As the RRA continue to develop our Supplementary Planning Document for Riddlesdown (our discussions are currently on hold with Croydon Council until after the local elections on 3 May), we are grateful for the following response to the issues raised in our previous issue of the Riddlesdown Recorder. (Autumn 2017). We invited a range of views and opinions. This letter from a local resident appeared in the Riddlesdown Recorder, Spring 2018 and is below.
Do you agree? Let us know at Riddlesdownresidents@gmail.com
I cannot let some of the ideas expressed in the Autumn issue of The Riddlesdown Recorder regarding the development of Riddlesdown “Common” go unchallenged. Throughout the magazine there are a number of incorrect references to Riddlesdown Common. The land is not a “Common”. It is private land, owned and managed by the City of London Corporation, as stated on the site’s notice boards and in their publicity literature. The only time the word “Common” appears on the noticeboards is to explain that Riddlesdown is not a common.
I note calls for Croydon Council to provide litter bins on the land. There are at present only dog-
Following on, there are suggestions that Riddlesdown should be provided with picnic areas and benches. This again will generate more rubbish unless the visitors take their waste away with them. It is quite possible, and more enjoyable, to spread a blanket on the grass and have a picnic while being careful not to crush or damage any special plant life. I can get passionate about Bee Orchids and Hummingbird Hawkmoths but not litter bins and picnic table.
Why should there be a café or another playground for children when we have facilities in Sanderstead and Whyteleafe? Both not 20 minutes away from Riddlesdown car park. Would the Residents’ Association be prepared to lease/purchase parcels of land from the City of London Corporation and pay for and build a café, its infrastructure and playground? Probably not.
As for Riddlesdown being “over-
If Riddlesdown could be more child-
Our target for the next 50 years and beyond should be the upkeep and sustainability of Riddlesdown as a wonderful nature reserve amid the urban sprawl of Croydon, Purley and Kenley. A little bit of countryside as it used to be. Children don’t need more swings and a café. They have all that in Sanderstead Recreation Ground. Riddlesdown has far more to offer. Let them go out and meet Mother Nature at her best.
Planning Workshop Feedback -
By Nick Tennant
In the last issue of the Recorder, I wrote a think-
At the Riddlesdown Residents’ Association AGM on 5 April, we asked attendees whether there was any interest in us running a planning workshop to understand better the community ’s concerns regarding future development in Riddlesdown. We explained that our ambition is to produce a Supplementary Planning Document, which sets out our community’s vision of future development in Riddlesdown. The intention is that this document will influence where and how new development occurs.
Determining the issues of greatest concern to Riddlesdown’s residents is crucial to the success of any Supplementary Planning Document. We have to be realistic in terms of the objectives of a plan for Riddlesdown. If we try to do too much, it’s unlikely we’ll have any impact. Whereas if we focus on those issues that people are most concerned about, we have a much better chance of making a difference.
Following positive feedback at the AGM, we subsequently held a workshop at Riddlesdown Collegiate on the evening of Monday 10 July. Despite the splendid summer weather, 40 people joined us to consider current and future planning issues under the following themes: housing, transport, environment and community facilities.
The evening began with four 15-
Workshop Feedback Housing
• There was a broad preference for new housing over flatted development, as this was felt to be more in keeping with the existing housing stock in Riddlesdown. Specific concerns were raised over the current trend of demolishing family homes to build flats.
• Recent flatted development was felt to be in keeping with the local style and size of development. For example, the scheme opposite Riddlesdown station was generally liked, although the promised infrastructure to address flooding issues has not been provided.
• In terms of future development, attendees felt that the focus should be on affordability across a range of groups and ages, for example purpose-
• It was recognised that development brings particular pressures on parking, so perhaps new developments should include basement parking.
• The need for additional infrastructure investment to support development was highlighted, particularly in respect to flooding, parking and public realm improvements.
• There was a feeling that development should not be developer-
• During discussion of the green belt, the majority of views were strongly against any development of the green belt. A few comments were made that specific areas of the green belt could be suitable for development for new housing or a new primary school.
• The green verges around Riddlesdown were felt to be poorly maintained (overgrown grass or bare patches) and badly damaged, partly due to too much parking. Attendees commented that shrubbery was often too tall in many places and was blocking sightlines on driveways, for example Ingleboro Drive. Linked to this, overgrown vegetation on footpaths (especially private footpaths near the Common) needs to be cut back. The idea of a working group was floated to address these issues and create a sense of community spirit.
• Flooding by Riddlesdown Station and St Edmund’s Church was felt to be partly due to the greater number of hardstanding front gardens leading to more water surface run off.
• There were mixed views on whether flytipping has increased locally since nearby local authorities started to charge for waste.
• Concern was expressed regarding the amount of litter around Riddlesdown. One particular issue raised was that Riddlesdown Collegiate students were considered to be generating too much rubbish (e.g. bottles, cans, crisp bags) during term time, especially on Dunmail Drive. Attendees felt that the Collegiate should do more to safeguard the local environment, working with the local community to clean up litter, including getting involved in litter picks. Some attendees raised the need for more Council highway bins around Riddlesdown, especially on the Common where there are only dog-
• In respect to the Purley Oaks Recycling centre, the new layout was felt to be an improvement although access was still poor, with too much queuing traffic. Some suggested enlarging the Centre to improve recycling capacity.
• Whilst Riddlesdown Common was considered to be well-
• There was a general belief that Riddlesdown is currently well-
• Parking was felt to be the most pressing problem. Parking along Lower Barn Road and Riddlesdown Avenue was reported to be very difficult at peak hours, with the amount of construction on the latter road exacerbating the issue. Riddlesdown is the last Zone 6 stop on the East Grinstead line (Editor’s note -
• The traffic and parking congestion around Riddlesdown Collegiate is felt to be getting worse; the potential use of Dunmail Drive as an access road was frequently mentioned. Possible options include the creation of a Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ), the introduction of residents’ parking permits, using gates to open Dunmail Drive periodically (i.e. during pick up/ drop off times) and encouraging more students to walk to the school.
• Trains are felt to be full to capacity, although it was noted that some relief might be provided by the East Grinstead to London Bridge services transferring to Thameslink in 2018, enabling direct services from Riddlesdown to Bedford and Cambridge. Notwithstanding the ongoing issues with Southern, people are generally satisfied with the level of proposed service, with BR Purley serving as a back-
• Buses (especially the 412) were considered to be too infrequent, with more services required during school travel hours. It was noted that the 412 often stops (i.e. turns around) at Sanderstead Pond. The idea of a shuttle bus between the Riddlesdown Station and the Collegiate was proposed as a means of reducing the number of short car journeys and providing a service to the station for people living near to the school.
• There was some support for the 20mph zones being brought forward by the Council, with concern expressed that roads like Riddlesdown Road are being treated as a drag strip. Set against this, others were concerned that the 20mph limit will only increase pollution, especially diesel exhaust. The repair of potholes by the Council was slow, and temporary repairs like those on Ingleboro Drive are a false economy.
• Shops and other existing amenities were perceived to be very important to the community. There is a strong desire to protect existing community shops. Commuter parking is preventing some people from accessing these facilities.
• The need for a social focus like a pub was recognised, with consideration of other options like the St Edmund’s community hall or Purley Bury tennis club bar. Similarly, ideas like a café, tea shop or club house were floated, with comparisons drawn to the facilities at Whyteleafe Park and the previous tea room that existed behind the Ranger’s cottage on Riddlesdown Common. There was interest in a community run enterprise on the line of Priscilla’s Tea Room at Sanderstead.
• Support for a new playground either on the Common near the car park or on the green space adjoining St. Edmund’s church, or opposite the shops on Lower Barn Road.
• General satisfaction with the current level of healthcare provision, with particular praise for the local GP. Linked to this, recognition of the importance of protecting and maintaining the local Chemists on Lower Barn Road. No particular interest expressed in creating service ‘hubs’ in future, although no one was actively opposed to the idea. Recognition that with an ageing population, access to healthcare facilities would remain an important issue and that an elderly people’s community facility should be considered.
• No concerns with secondary school provision in the area, notwithstanding the points already raised concerning litter and access to the Collegiate. Primary school provision was raised as an issue as Riddlesdown is situated between four catchment zones. Parents of younger children reported that securing places at preferred schools is becoming increasingly problematic. Opinion was divided as to whether a new primary school in Riddlesdown is the answer, with some supporting the expansion of nearby existing primary schools.
• Lack of awareness of how many community activities are already provided locally, with many expressing a desire for information to be made more widely available. It was felt that Riddlesdown Collegiate could do more to make its facilities available to the community, linked to using the school more as a community resource.
• Additional thoughts on community events included restarting the Riddlesdown Fun Day, street parties, community schemes like the Purley Breakfast Club (i.e. a once-
After the workshops, we used a ‘heatmap’ to allow people to reflect upon the discussions by sticking post-
• Making the most of our green space. For example, improved footpaths and a cafe on Riddlesdown Common.
• Litter control -
• Parking controls around Riddlesdown Station.
• Improving the traffic flow around Riddlesdown Collegiate at peak hours.
• Our community should be pro-
• New housing should be aimed at local people -
• New housing needs to be accompanied by additional infrastructure in terms of roads, flooding, adequate car parking, public realm improvements etc.
• Community cafe – providing a meeting place for the community.
• Encourage more use of our local amenities. For example, Wesson’s shop (PO & newsagent), the Pharmacy.
We’d like to thank all of you who joined us on the 10th July for a stimulating and wide ranging discussion of the type of Riddlesdown you want to see in future. You gave us some clear messages, but before we start to draft a Riddlesdown Plan to share with you all, we’d really welcome any additional thoughts from all of you reading this. Do you agree with the themes emerging above? If not, why not? Are there other issues that you think we should be looking at? Please feel free to post your thoughts on the RRA Facebook page or email them to us at Riddlesdownresidents@gmail.com
RIDDLESDOWN NEEDS YOUR VIEWS
This topic was discussed at the RRA AGM on 5 April 2017. It gave those residents present an indication of want is proposed -
On the “Riddlesdown Plan” we are hopeful we can get Croydon Croydon to adopt it as a Supplementary Planning Document (SPD). But even if they don't, we believe there is value in us setting out what we want as a community in terms of future development. It sends a clear message to Croydon Council that we expect more in terms of the approach to development in Riddlesdown.
Within Croydon Council’s Local Plan, which is currently under discussion and to be reviewed by a Planning Inspector in May/June, we want our residents voice and views to be heard and taken into account on planning and environmental matters. There is very little mention of “Riddlesdown” in the Council’s proposed Croydon Plan and we believe this is not correct.
Please send your views to us at Riddlesdownresidents@gmail.com
Presentation below by Nick Tennant
Ever wondered what Riddlesdown might look like in 20 years time?
Probably not. But now is a good time to get thinking as Croydon Council are currently reviewing the local plan for the Borough – which sets out what type of development will be allowed over the next twenty years, and importantly, where it will occur.
The document setting out the proposed changes to the plan (see www.croydon.gov.uk/sites/default/files/articles/downloads/clpstrategic-
Perhaps the most important change is the proposal for 31,850 new homes to be built in Croydon over the period 2016 to 2036. That represents a 48% (1) increase in the number of homes required in the Borough each year. This includes between 310 -
‘Am I bothered?’ you might be asking yourself. After all, this is leafy, suburban Riddlesdown where nothing much happens…..
But that isn’t strictly true, as developers have tried over a number of years to build upon farmland on Mitchley Hill and Mitchley Avenue. The RRA worked closely with Croydon Council to prevent development upon this greenbelt land, and will continue to do so in the future. Riddlesdown Collegiate have recently announced plans for a new primary school on (or close to) the existing secondary school, to open in September 2018.
So back to the question I started with – what do you want Riddlesdown to look like in 2036? It’s fair to say that the need for more homes across Croydon is going to increase the pressure for development in Riddlesdown. Is this a good thing or not?
Do you think:
The RRA want to hear your views on what kind of Riddlesdown you want.
Over the next year, we want to develop a shared vision of what Riddlesdown should look like in 2036, and the principles that any future proposals for development in the area will be expected to reflect. We’re looking to draw up a short statement – no longer than a few pages – which clearly sets out what we want for our area. It won’t be part of the Croydon Plan, but because it will be developed with you – the Riddlesdown Community – it will carry weight as a planning document which developers and Croydon Council will be expected to consider when preparing and considering planning applications.
You’re welcome to post your thoughts on the RRA Facebook page (see www.facebook.com/RiddlesdownResidentsAssociation ) or email them to us at Riddlesdownresidents@gmail.com They can be as long or short as you like – what matters is that you tell us what you think.
To get you in the mood, here are a few more questions to consider:
One final thought: even if you don’t feel like writing to us, maybe talk to your road steward or any of the committee members of the RRA about your thoughts. We can only make sure that Riddlesdown continues to be the kind of place you like to live in, if you tell us what you want.
(1) The current plan requires a minimum of 20,200 new homes to be built over the period 2011-
Map below: Extract from the proposed changes to the Croydon Plan. The plan is silent in respect to the future development of Riddlesdown – aside from the swathe of green belt land running from Riddlesdown Common down to Whyteleafe Park, across to Hamsey Green and up to Sanderstead Recreation Ground; and identifying an Archaeology Priority Area across Riddlesdown Common.